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Why are we discussing the issue being ATC workers when the recordings make it clear that they had identified the issue and ordered the vehicle to stop? Sound li

Why are we discussing the issue being ATC workers when the recordings make it clear that they had identified the issue and ordered the vehicle to stop? Sound like the issue is whoever was driving the truck not doing what was asked of them for whatever reason. Unless of course it was equipment failure.

jlawson 7mo ago
The controller told the truck to proceed, before telling it to stop. That was a serious ATC error.
- ceejayoz 7mo ago
  If the timings on the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbm-QJAAzNY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbm-QJAAzNY are accurate, it had time to cross; it seems they dawdled a bit. Controller probably should've told them to expedite the crossing or warned that traffic was about to land, but they were managing a lot at once; tower+ground by themselves and an emergency already.
  - markdown 7mo ago
    The poor guy was managing two runways and ground traffic, which is nuts.
    - dghlsakjg 7mo ago
      This isn’t super unusual, it’s just that when they do this it’s normally at an airport in east bumfuck where a controller is barely needed. Doing it at LaGuardia or any major airport is absolutely nuts.
  - phil21 7mo ago
    I counted 8 seconds from clear to cross to first 'truck 1 stop' - along with it not being immediately clear the stop was for the truck, or for Frontier 4195 until 2 more seconds. Add a few seconds for human reaction time on both ends, I don't think that's really "enough time to cross safely" - maybe if the stars align.
krisoft 7mo ago
> Sound like the issue is whoever was driving the truck not doing what was asked of them for whatever reason. Hard disagree. The ATC initially cleared them to cross the runway. The truck started moving, and just then the ATC realised that they made a mistake and tried to fix it. Even their first attempt at that was unclear, and they only clarified who should stop on the second attempt. People can’t react in zero second, trucks don’t stop immediately. The ATC mistake was clearing them to cross the runway, whatever happened after was out of their hands.

jlawson 7mo ago

The controller told the truck to proceed, before telling it to stop. That was a serious ATC error.

ceejayoz 7mo ago
If the timings on the video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbm-QJAAzNY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbm-QJAAzNY are accurate, it had time to cross; it seems they dawdled a bit. Controller probably should've told them to expedite the crossing or warned that traffic was about to land, but they were managing a lot at once; tower+ground by themselves and an emergency already.
- markdown 7mo ago
  The poor guy was managing two runways and ground traffic, which is nuts.
  - dghlsakjg 7mo ago
    This isn’t super unusual, it’s just that when they do this it’s normally at an airport in east bumfuck where a controller is barely needed. Doing it at LaGuardia or any major airport is absolutely nuts.
- phil21 7mo ago
  I counted 8 seconds from clear to cross to first 'truck 1 stop' - along with it not being immediately clear the stop was for the truck, or for Frontier 4195 until 2 more seconds. Add a few seconds for human reaction time on both ends, I don't think that's really "enough time to cross safely" - maybe if the stars align.

krisoft 7mo ago

> Sound like the issue is whoever was driving the truck not doing what was asked of them for whatever reason. Hard disagree. The ATC initially cleared them to cross the runway. The truck started moving, and just then the ATC realised that they made a mistake and tried to fix it. Even their first attempt at that was unclear, and they only clarified who should stop on the second attempt. People can’t react in zero second, trucks don’t stop immediately. The ATC mistake was clearing them to cross the runway, whatever happened after was out of their hands.