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We need to legally mandate a single physical switch that disables all vehicles radios, and a second that factory resets everything but the odometer and vehicle

by hedora 7mo ago

We need to legally mandate a single physical switch that disables all vehicles radios, and a second that factory resets everything but the odometer and vehicle fault logs / black box.

bilekas 7mo ago
That's an extremely attractive attack surface. How about we just have keys to turn on the engine?
- uxp100 7mo ago
  Well, in this case because drunks keep murdering people.
  - bilekas 7mo ago
    If you're drink driving you are not mature enough to drive and therefore you should lose your license. Simple.
    - Spivak 7mo ago
      I would agree with you if the state took up the responsibility of driving people with suspended licenses around or making public transportation reliable enough for employment. But they don't and so we're stuck with this as the compromise.
      - bilekas 7mo ago
        I agree with public transport but that's basic. I don't see why the government should babysit you and drive you around because you drank and drove. Driving is a privilege not a right.
        Spivak 7mo ago
        I consider it to be the same as the state having to provide for your food, shelter, clothing, and healthcare while you're imprisoned. The state took away your ability to provide those things for yourself and so now it's their job to do it. In cities with shit public transportation that isn't going to be invested in any time soon the state took away your ability to provide for your own transportation and I think it's on them to shoulder the cost. Things like house arrest and the breathalyzer interlock are ways to punish that still let people provide for themselves. So I agree I don't think the state should be babysitting adults which is why I don't like punishments that turn adults into babies.
        duskdozer 7mo ago
        The punishment for drinking and driving would be losing the ability to drive, not losing the ability to work or buy groceries, which are generally tied to being able to drive in the US. Public transport is a long-term solution but nothing exists in the meantime. So you end up creating a whole host of downstream problems
bri3d 7mo ago
Irrelevant to this issue - the devices didn’t get bricked over the air, but rather they have a “calibration” time lock which must be reset at a service center and the service centers are ransomwared.
kube-system 7mo ago
> a single physical switch that disables all vehicles radios Disabling all of them would have silly consequences, and wouldn't be compatible with other safety regulations.
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mvdtnz 7mo ago
I feel like a lot of you are commenting without reading the article. Vehicles are not being remotely disabled. The computer systems which perform the calibration on the device (usually done at a mechanic or auto electrician) are under attack. The vehicle will get locked out of this calibration is not performed monthly. There is no remote attack on the vehicle.

by hedora 7mo ago

We need to legally mandate a single physical switch that disables all vehicles radios, and a second that factory resets everything but the odometer and vehicle fault logs / black box.

bilekas 7mo ago

That's an extremely attractive attack surface. How about we just have keys to turn on the engine?

uxp100 7mo ago
Well, in this case because drunks keep murdering people.
- bilekas 7mo ago
  If you're drink driving you are not mature enough to drive and therefore you should lose your license. Simple.
  - Spivak 7mo ago
    I would agree with you if the state took up the responsibility of driving people with suspended licenses around or making public transportation reliable enough for employment. But they don't and so we're stuck with this as the compromise.
    - bilekas 7mo ago
      I agree with public transport but that's basic. I don't see why the government should babysit you and drive you around because you drank and drove. Driving is a privilege not a right.
      - Spivak 7mo ago
        I consider it to be the same as the state having to provide for your food, shelter, clothing, and healthcare while you're imprisoned. The state took away your ability to provide those things for yourself and so now it's their job to do it. In cities with shit public transportation that isn't going to be invested in any time soon the state took away your ability to provide for your own transportation and I think it's on them to shoulder the cost. Things like house arrest and the breathalyzer interlock are ways to punish that still let people provide for themselves. So I agree I don't think the state should be babysitting adults which is why I don't like punishments that turn adults into babies.
      - duskdozer 7mo ago
        The punishment for drinking and driving would be losing the ability to drive, not losing the ability to work or buy groceries, which are generally tied to being able to drive in the US. Public transport is a long-term solution but nothing exists in the meantime. So you end up creating a whole host of downstream problems

bri3d 7mo ago

Irrelevant to this issue - the devices didn’t get bricked over the air, but rather they have a “calibration” time lock which must be reset at a service center and the service centers are ransomwared.

kube-system 7mo ago

> a single physical switch that disables all vehicles radios Disabling all of them would have silly consequences, and wouldn't be compatible with other safety regulations.

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mvdtnz 7mo ago

I feel like a lot of you are commenting without reading the article. Vehicles are not being remotely disabled. The computer systems which perform the calibration on the device (usually done at a mechanic or auto electrician) are under attack. The vehicle will get locked out of this calibration is not performed monthly. There is no remote attack on the vehicle.