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> potentially more intelligent than the poorest group It's easy to think this but its not true. There is just a ton of privilege involved in life. There are gr

by tock 7mo ago

> potentially more intelligent than the poorest group It's easy to think this but its not true. There is just a ton of privilege involved in life. There are groups in India who purely tutor slum kids to the top IITs(the JEE exams in India are very hard). Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_30

groundzeros2015 7mo ago
Sorry I’m not familiar with Indian culture and power structures.
Noumenon72 7mo ago
They said "on average". Selecting 30 of the most talented from the poorest group does not contradict that.
- tock 7mo ago
  On average more educated? Yes. More intelligent? Nah I see no data. Given the same access to resources I expect the kid from a poor family and a kid from a rich family to perform similarly.
  - groundzeros2015 7mo ago
    I do not. Where do unintelligent people exist in your society? And at a certain point the argument about equal access is entirely hypothetical. For example can’t redo early childhood. So if that impacts your ability then it’s been impacted.
    - tock 7mo ago
      > Where do unintelligent people exist in your society? Everywhere? Both in rich and poor households. > For example can’t redo early childhood. So if that impacts your ability then it’s been impacted. Ah I thought the argument was more about genes(aka born smart) and not something like nutrition. I think a good thought experiment is Formula 1. Most top F1 racers come from super rich backgrounds. Does that mean that more money == better driver? Its mostly a accessibility problem.
      - groundzeros2015 7mo ago
        Which premise do you disagree with? 1. Financial and career success are correlated with good test skills. 2. Good test skills are strongly influenced by genetics or early childhood. If you agree with both then you expect some correlation between wealth and test performance.
        tock 7mo ago
        I disagree that being born to rich parents == you have better genetics. It's mostly privilege. And just being born in America is one of the biggest privileges wrt career and wealth.
        groundzeros2015 7mo ago
        Well I’ll be charitable and interpret == as correlation as we are talking about averages. From your conclusion you’re telling me wealth is completely random or the capabilities of children is completely random. Neither of those holds up to any scrutiny. I don’t know what being born in the US has to do with the conversation.

by tock 7mo ago

groundzeros2015 7mo ago

Sorry I’m not familiar with Indian culture and power structures.

Noumenon72 7mo ago

They said "on average". Selecting 30 of the most talented from the poorest group does not contradict that.

tock 7mo ago
On average more educated? Yes. More intelligent? Nah I see no data. Given the same access to resources I expect the kid from a poor family and a kid from a rich family to perform similarly.
- groundzeros2015 7mo ago
  I do not. Where do unintelligent people exist in your society? And at a certain point the argument about equal access is entirely hypothetical. For example can’t redo early childhood. So if that impacts your ability then it’s been impacted.
  - tock 7mo ago
    > Where do unintelligent people exist in your society? Everywhere? Both in rich and poor households. > For example can’t redo early childhood. So if that impacts your ability then it’s been impacted. Ah I thought the argument was more about genes(aka born smart) and not something like nutrition. I think a good thought experiment is Formula 1. Most top F1 racers come from super rich backgrounds. Does that mean that more money == better driver? Its mostly a accessibility problem.
    - groundzeros2015 7mo ago
      Which premise do you disagree with? 1. Financial and career success are correlated with good test skills. 2. Good test skills are strongly influenced by genetics or early childhood. If you agree with both then you expect some correlation between wealth and test performance.
      - tock 7mo ago
        I disagree that being born to rich parents == you have better genetics. It's mostly privilege. And just being born in America is one of the biggest privileges wrt career and wealth.
        groundzeros2015 7mo ago
        Well I’ll be charitable and interpret == as correlation as we are talking about averages. From your conclusion you’re telling me wealth is completely random or the capabilities of children is completely random. Neither of those holds up to any scrutiny. I don’t know what being born in the US has to do with the conversation.