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His comment did not even mention the US. Only critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU. One of the issues with modern politics is everyone wants to de

His comment did not even mention the US. Only critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU. One of the issues with modern politics is everyone wants to deflect.

surgical_fire 6mo ago
The comment does not exist in a vacuum. It exists in a thread where the topic is, eminently, migrating away from US services to EU ones.
- _osud 6mo ago
  >The comment does not exist in a vacuum. It exists in a thread where the topic is, eminently, migrating away from US services to EU ones. Even then, there's no interesting conversation to be had unless we pretend it does.
  - surgical_fire 6mo ago
    I, and apparently many others in this thread, disagree. I personally found some interesting comments here, including but not limited to services based off EU that I can use. If you find it uninteresting, you should stop wasting your time in it and go do something more productive with your time. Unless, of course, you just want to do some "concern trolling". You know, the "just asking questions" and "just noticing" behavior. I'll be charitable and presume you are talking in this thread accidentally, and will find your way to more productive activities instead.
    - _osud 6mo ago
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wongarsu 6mo ago
I need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about
- rglullis 6mo ago
  Switzerland, maybe? I've been a happy migadu.com customer for years already.
  - gusgus01 6mo ago
    Funny enough, they mention moving to ProtonMail which is at least based out of Switzerland. It makes this whole chain a bit funny, but I don't blame the commenter for not breaking down every service the OP talked about and the OP did shorthand it to "Migrating to the EU", so fair enough.
  - mariusor 6mo ago
    Didn't proton fold like a wet napkin when they were asked for information about their users? What I mean is: Switzerland as a whole is probably the wrong metric...
    - AdamN 6mo ago
      These are also political decisions and the EU is much more powerful politically than Switzerland so if your adversary is the US and they're willing to use lawfare or more than you should probably go with the EU and not Switzerland. Germany is considered one of the most robust legal systems for privacy. But there is always risk no matter what you do.
    - littlecranky67 6mo ago
      Switzerland - as well as EU based providers - have to comply with court orders. And the EU as well as Switzerland issue court orders upon request from friendly foreign states ("Rechtshilfeersuchen" in german) - such as the US.
      - mariusor 6mo ago
        Wasn't Proton launched as a "your data is encrypted at rest, we could never access it without your consent"? The implication being that even if they received said court orders, they didn't have anything to give. Am I misremembering that?
krzyk 6mo ago
> critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU What?
- andix 6mo ago
  It's happening in the EU too, just not at such a fast pace than in other regions. And it's still far away from authoritarianism. Currently it's just smaller pieces and no bigger agenda is visible (or even exiting). But there are constantly new regulations that would make an authoritarian coup (like currently in the US) easier.
- marcus_holmes 6mo ago
  There's a ton of disinformation in right-wing media in the USA that the EU is either already an authoritarian police state, or rapidly becoming one. For example: https://www.heritage.org/europe/commentary/europe-wants-be-the-worlds-speech-police https://www.heritage.org/europe/commentary/europe-wants-be-t...
ahtihn 6mo ago
The post is about moving stuff from US to EU, so it's not like the US is brought up out of nowhere.

His comment did not even mention the US. Only critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU. One of the issues with modern politics is everyone wants to deflect.

surgical_fire 6mo ago

The comment does not exist in a vacuum. It exists in a thread where the topic is, eminently, migrating away from US services to EU ones.

_osud 6mo ago
>The comment does not exist in a vacuum. It exists in a thread where the topic is, eminently, migrating away from US services to EU ones. Even then, there's no interesting conversation to be had unless we pretend it does.
- surgical_fire 6mo ago
  I, and apparently many others in this thread, disagree. I personally found some interesting comments here, including but not limited to services based off EU that I can use. If you find it uninteresting, you should stop wasting your time in it and go do something more productive with your time. Unless, of course, you just want to do some "concern trolling". You know, the "just asking questions" and "just noticing" behavior. I'll be charitable and presume you are talking in this thread accidentally, and will find your way to more productive activities instead.
  - _osud 6mo ago
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wongarsu 6mo ago

I need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about

rglullis 6mo ago
Switzerland, maybe? I've been a happy migadu.com customer for years already.
- gusgus01 6mo ago
  Funny enough, they mention moving to ProtonMail which is at least based out of Switzerland. It makes this whole chain a bit funny, but I don't blame the commenter for not breaking down every service the OP talked about and the OP did shorthand it to "Migrating to the EU", so fair enough.
- mariusor 6mo ago
  Didn't proton fold like a wet napkin when they were asked for information about their users? What I mean is: Switzerland as a whole is probably the wrong metric...
  - AdamN 6mo ago
    These are also political decisions and the EU is much more powerful politically than Switzerland so if your adversary is the US and they're willing to use lawfare or more than you should probably go with the EU and not Switzerland. Germany is considered one of the most robust legal systems for privacy. But there is always risk no matter what you do.
  - littlecranky67 6mo ago
    Switzerland - as well as EU based providers - have to comply with court orders. And the EU as well as Switzerland issue court orders upon request from friendly foreign states ("Rechtshilfeersuchen" in german) - such as the US.
    - mariusor 6mo ago
      Wasn't Proton launched as a "your data is encrypted at rest, we could never access it without your consent"? The implication being that even if they received said court orders, they didn't have anything to give. Am I misremembering that?

krzyk 6mo ago

> critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU What?

andix 6mo ago
It's happening in the EU too, just not at such a fast pace than in other regions. And it's still far away from authoritarianism. Currently it's just smaller pieces and no bigger agenda is visible (or even exiting). But there are constantly new regulations that would make an authoritarian coup (like currently in the US) easier.
marcus_holmes 6mo ago
There's a ton of disinformation in right-wing media in the USA that the EU is either already an authoritarian police state, or rapidly becoming one. For example: https://www.heritage.org/europe/commentary/europe-wants-be-the-worlds-speech-police https://www.heritage.org/europe/commentary/europe-wants-be-t...

ahtihn 6mo ago

The post is about moving stuff from US to EU, so it's not like the US is brought up out of nowhere.