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>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without me
by s_dev 6mo ago
>How comfortable are you guys with the fact that EU countries allow prosecutors and sometimes even police officers to issue their own search warrants without meaningful judicial review?
This is a hilarious 'just asking questions' concern that doesn't address the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order it primarily helped build post WWII while threatening other liberal democracies like Canada and Denmark with invasions.
It's a complete false equivalence. ICE agents have straight up murdered two US citizens in broad daylight without consequence and you're querying the nature of some search warrants in the EU.
- _osud 6mo agoI'm not advertising the US here or trying to troll. I'm an European pointing out things about the European system that many here will not have thought about. >It's a complete false equivalence. ICE agents have straight up murdered two US citizens in broad daylight without consequence and you're querying the nature of some search warrants in the EU. Maybe keep your US nonsense to yourself?
- hvb2 6mo agoJust saying, the vast majority of services people are moving from would be US based given it is where all of big tech comes from. So comparing it to the US is relevant? If you're trying to say the eu isn't a saint either, sure.
- _osud 6mo ago>If you're trying to say the eu isn't a saint either, sure. I'm not trying to say anything about anyone else besides the EU. Therefore I'm certainly not trying to compare EU to anyone else. I am an European pointing out issues with the local system, issues that many commenters here clearly aren't aware of given how many replies seem to think that they'll be just fine as long as they don't host in Hungary.
- y-curious 6mo agoI’m in the US and generally pretty level-headed. Nothing makes me become a red-blooded patriot nationalist temporarily faster than seeing Europeans completely ignore the similarities in our political ills. It always boils down to, “but it’s the good kind of authoritarianism we have that preserves social order!!!” as if that has never failed to produce desired results. Thanks for being much more rational. We have a concerning political trend here in the US, it can’t be denied, but the EU is following in step.
- _osud 6mo agoYeah, it's really bizarre how this has to be turned into a competition. We have stupid problems in the EU that don't exist in the US and vice-versa. The way this particular part of our system works is downright horrifying, but it's exotic enough that very few people (even lawyers) will be familiar with it.
- icfly2 6mo agoSorry what? While there are right wing idiots in various governments in the EU, the Trump admin is on a completely different level. Also the bosses of big tech are clamouring over each other to s** him off. I’m not particularly patriotic or bothered about nations in general, but the yanks can go take a hike.
- dwedge 6mo agoMan this whole article and your comment just makes me picture that meme with the fat guy open-mouth drinking from a pipe labelled "media". By the way, sex him off? Trying to decipher the number of characters
- refurb 6mo agoExactly. What the EU fails to realize is that rights have always been dennied due to the "great good". Nazi Germany did it. The USSR did it. China does it today. So by claiming "there are good reasons" creates no distinction between them an authoritarians. They need to have a better reason.
- aleph_minus_one 6mo ago> the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism A similar (though currently a little bit less marked) trend can also be observed for the EU and EU countries.
- s_dev 6mo ago>(though currently a little bit less marked) Again this is a false equivalence, 'a little less marked' isn't close to imparting the true state of things and to be honest a little disingenuous. The EU is not in full motion to dismantle democracy across her 27 states. The US should it not turn this around in the midterms is finished as a liberal democracy. So 'ah yes but Hungary' doesn't persuade me even though I'll concede it's a problem for the EU. If Tisza is elected in April, Hungary will be on course to turn things around. So you're comparing 1 out of 27 to 50 out of 50 states.
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- krzyk 6mo agoEU did not force Romania. Romania itself annulled them because Russian intervention happened.
- sunaookami 6mo agoSure that happened :)
- copper4eva 6mo agoHis comment did not even mention the US. Only critiquing the authoritarianism going on in the EU. One of the issues with modern politics is everyone wants to deflect.
- surgical_fire 6mo agoThe comment does not exist in a vacuum. It exists in a thread where the topic is, eminently, migrating away from US services to EU ones.
- _osud 6mo ago>The comment does not exist in a vacuum. It exists in a thread where the topic is, eminently, migrating away from US services to EU ones. Even then, there's no interesting conversation to be had unless we pretend it does.
- surgical_fire 6mo agoI, and apparently many others in this thread, disagree. I personally found some interesting comments here, including but not limited to services based off EU that I can use. If you find it uninteresting, you should stop wasting your time in it and go do something more productive with your time. Unless, of course, you just want to do some "concern trolling". You know, the "just asking questions" and "just noticing" behavior. I'll be charitable and presume you are talking in this thread accidentally, and will find your way to more productive activities instead.
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- wongarsu 6mo agoI need to host my emails somewhere. This means that you can't reject the EU in isolation, you have to compare it to the alternatives. And the most prevalent alternative is the US Now of course if somebody has a better alternative that's neither in the EU nor US (nor Russia, or China) that'd be interesting to hear about
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- nozzlegear 6mo ago> the complete 180 in direction the US is taking and descending in to authoritarianism while moving against the world order The EU is just one AfD win away from doing the same thing. It's not immune to this issue either, you have the same problem happening right under your noses.
- epolanski 6mo agoNot really. Most European countries have parliamentary democracies. It's not a winner-takes-all system ala presidential and semi-presidential republics where effectively individuals: 1. rule without opposition. There's no opposition it's not represented in that branch. 2. rule without even needing support of their own parties. The Italian prime minister or the German chancellor have to fight every day in parliament to have support of their parties and the other parties coalitions. 3. a single individual can claim popular mandate. In parliamentary systems you vote for parties/coalitions, not individuals There's a reason why this authoritarian trend goes from the Philippines, Nicaragua, to Belarus, to Turkey, to Russia, to most African countries and now US. They are all presidential republics. The last parliamentary democracy to turn authoritarian has been...Sri Lanka. Almost 50 years ago. Presidential ones? It's basically every year. Systems with winner-takes-all mechanics do not represent voters, and power is too concentrated. Parliamentary democracies might be labeled as less efficient, that I can agree, but they have strong antibodies to such people. See Austria or the Netherlands as examples where strong far right authoritarian-wannabes individuals became prime ministers...and then nothing happened and their governments didn't last.
- nozzlegear 6mo agoI agree that presidential systems in particular are problematic, and the EU is lucky that Germany and France use parliamentary systems. But the nasty thing about populism is that it happens in waves and it does overtake parliaments. We need only look at what happened to the UK with Brexit for a recent example. It's not hard to imagine that a wave of far-right populism could one day overtake Germany, or send France's RN, Austria's FPO or Poland's PIS to a majority position. We can cross our fingers and hope that nobody would work with them (I know that Germany's parties all have a pinky promise not to work with AfD), but it was only 10 years ago that everyone in the US was laughing at the prospect of a Donald Trump presidency – and now here we are, much sobered. These things happen, and AfD, or RN, or whoever, could wreak havoc to the EU from within the EU if they took power and started working with Hungary to block EU legislation, veto sanctions, defund programs and more.
- dbvn 6mo agoLol what does ICE have to do with a local police officer being able to bully a tech worker into providing your private communications?
- WhrRTheBaboons 6mo agowhat example are you talking about? assuming it's non-UK would like to read about it.
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- panda-giddiness 6mo agoWhat a disingenuous comparison. The wiki article you've linked ("List of killings by law enforcement officers in Germany") sums to 552 people over the last 100 years. In contrast, the corresponding wiki article on the US ("Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States" [1]) estimates more than 900 deaths per year. Indeed, the number of slayings is so great that the article does not tabulate the sum in a single table (as the German article does) but instead links to separate wiki articles with tabulated results by month. --- [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enfor...
- _osud 6mo ago>The wiki article you've linked ("List of killings by law enforcement officers in Germany") sums to 552 people over the last 100 years I think we can probably agree that this number is not very accurate.
- panda-giddiness 6mo agoOver the last 100 years, almost certainly not. For the most recent decade? Yes, of course I would expect these statistics to be fairly accurate. Between 2021 and 2025 (inclusive), Wikipedia lists 68 dead in Germany versus 5882 dead in the US, despite the US only being ~4 times larger. More people have been killed by police in the US this year than in Germany in the past ten years, and it's not even April yet.
- thesmtsolver2 6mo ago> 552 people over the last 100 years What a disingenuous comment. Do we really think that is the case? You ignored my other link. Imagine the outrage EU would have had if US seized immigrants jewelry. Yet, Denmark gleefully does that. Funnily, I had friends from Europe participate in the No Kings protest here, while coming from countries that have literal kings.
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