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*Can the world have an American President that for once doesn't start pointless wars to distract from internal scandals?

by atoav 7mo ago

the_gastropod 7mo ago
For once? Didn’t our previous president just clear this cynically low bar?
- netsharc 7mo ago
  Ok, so in your genius reality, did Biden start the Russia-Ukrainian war or the Israeli genocide? Or am I just too dumb and interpreting your oh-so-clever sentence wrong? I'm also curious if you could explain the logic more than "Just so your own research man"...
  - jkubicek 7mo ago
    I think you’re responding to the wrong comment
  - ziml77 7mo ago
    You're reading them wrong and I'm not sure what you find clever about the wording. The bar was a president that doesn't start pointless wars. That's a low bar. Biden cleared said low bar by not starting pointless wars.
  - the_gastropod 7mo ago
    Yea, other commenters on this thread got it, so think you misunderstood my point: no. Biden did not start any wars as far as I’m aware, which was the point I was trying to make: not only have there existed non-war-starting presidents, our previous president was one of them!
marssaxman 7mo ago
It'd be nice if we could take a few years off from having a president at all - just rest, recover, and start to clean up the mess.
- jkubicek 7mo ago
  America needs a Snow Leopard. No new features, just bug fixes.
- atoav 7mo ago
  That would probably be the best. But I can't see how one would even begin to introduce that in the current top-heavy presidency-driven system.
throwaway27448 7mo ago
> to distract from internal scandals This is ignoring fifty years of trying to start this war. Even blaming Israel doesn't entirely make sense. A large segment of capital in the US truly wants this war to happen (as foolish as that may seem to rational humans). It is not simply a distraction. Or to put it another way, the Trump administration is characterized by dozens of scandals of bungled governance, each distracting from the next. Determining which is the "root" thing being distracted from is pointless.
lovich 7mo ago
Every war in the 21st century that America has entered has been started by a Republican President
- the_gastropod 7mo ago
  Exactly. And also a solid chunk of the 20th century. "Starting a war" can be a bit of a fuzzy delineation, but reasonably-speaking, it's been over 60 years since a Democratic president started a war (Vietnam war in 1965). For whatever reason, these types of facts never seem to budge the "BOTH SIDES BAD" types, though.
- ImJamal 7mo ago
  How are you defining war? Weren't Libya and Syria started under Obama?

*Can the world have an American President that for once doesn't start pointless wars to distract from internal scandals?

by atoav 7mo ago

*Can the world have an American President that for once doesn't start pointless wars to distract from internal scandals?

the_gastropod 7mo ago

For once? Didn’t our previous president just clear this cynically low bar?

netsharc 7mo ago
Ok, so in your genius reality, did Biden start the Russia-Ukrainian war or the Israeli genocide? Or am I just too dumb and interpreting your oh-so-clever sentence wrong? I'm also curious if you could explain the logic more than "Just so your own research man"...
- jkubicek 7mo ago
  I think you’re responding to the wrong comment
- ziml77 7mo ago
  You're reading them wrong and I'm not sure what you find clever about the wording. The bar was a president that doesn't start pointless wars. That's a low bar. Biden cleared said low bar by not starting pointless wars.
- the_gastropod 7mo ago
  Yea, other commenters on this thread got it, so think you misunderstood my point: no. Biden did not start any wars as far as I’m aware, which was the point I was trying to make: not only have there existed non-war-starting presidents, our previous president was one of them!

marssaxman 7mo ago

It'd be nice if we could take a few years off from having a president at all - just rest, recover, and start to clean up the mess.

jkubicek 7mo ago
America needs a Snow Leopard. No new features, just bug fixes.
atoav 7mo ago
That would probably be the best. But I can't see how one would even begin to introduce that in the current top-heavy presidency-driven system.

throwaway27448 7mo ago

> to distract from internal scandals This is ignoring fifty years of trying to start this war. Even blaming Israel doesn't entirely make sense. A large segment of capital in the US truly wants this war to happen (as foolish as that may seem to rational humans). It is not simply a distraction. Or to put it another way, the Trump administration is characterized by dozens of scandals of bungled governance, each distracting from the next. Determining which is the "root" thing being distracted from is pointless.

lovich 7mo ago

Every war in the 21st century that America has entered has been started by a Republican President

the_gastropod 7mo ago
Exactly. And also a solid chunk of the 20th century. "Starting a war" can be a bit of a fuzzy delineation, but reasonably-speaking, it's been over 60 years since a Democratic president started a war (Vietnam war in 1965). For whatever reason, these types of facts never seem to budge the "BOTH SIDES BAD" types, though.
ImJamal 7mo ago
How are you defining war? Weren't Libya and Syria started under Obama?