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What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?
by malfist 7mo ago
What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?
- flyinglizard 7mo agoDo you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.
- bertylicious 7mo agoWhat are the military objectives?
- Qem 7mo agoProp up the friendly apartheid regime.
- user3939382 7mo agoYes. Evil military planners used AI to generate a list of thousands of kill sites and then engaged them without verification. They attacked a public park by accident because it has the name “police” in it. Recklessly slaughtering children is “grown up” now?
- Qem 7mo agoAnother school was attacked[1] because it had "Shahed" in the name, like the drones. This is the First Slop War: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/6/elementary-school-in-tehran-hit-irans-foreign-ministry-says https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/3/6/elementary-school-in...
- stephenr 7mo ago> In reality someone made a mistake. It's never just one mistake. It's usually a chain of mistakes and bad decisions that make the final mistake possible. I'd estimate that there were likely 77,168,458 mistakes/bad decisions made by individuals before this mistake could happen.
- lukan 7mo agoYes, mistakes can happen. But when you use autonomous targeting systems (with "human oversight" in theory) and tell your soldiers: "no stupid rules of engagement,” “no politically correct wars,” and “no nation-building quagmire.” (Hegseth) And the top commander says that he would intentionally kill the families of terrorists if voted into power: https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-terrorists-families https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-ter... Then at some point I do not believe the term "mistake" is appropriate here.
- zimpenfish 7mo ago"Maximum lethality, not tepid legality"
- galactus 7mo agoI think that if you start an unjustified war of agression against a country and you kill 150 children, you should be held responsible
- trimethylpurine 7mo agoWhat if it happens as a result of trying to hold someone worse responsible?
- applfanboysbgon 7mo ago> someone worse You do not get to decide that. If we allow everyone to invade other countries and murder leaders because they deem those people worse than themselves, the world will be engaged in endless war. Or do you think perhaps deciding who to invade and kill is a special privilege reserved only for your country, which should be emperor of the world?
- trimethylpurine 7mo agoIf a guy pays soldiers to sneak into another country, kidnap rape and murder children, and continues similar behavior for 4 decades I can decide he's worse than Trump. I do get to decide that. Some things are worse than others. The preceding comment was about holding someone responsible. It appears you might have misunderstood that mine points out that this is exactly how the school was hit.
- mhb 7mo agoWith this reasoning, how do you make any decisions in your everyday life? Does everything look like a morally relativistic gray to you?
- applfanboysbgon 7mo ago??? Do most of your everyday life decisions involve starting wars or killing people? That's concerning. Are you a high-ranking officer in the US military? As it happens, I'm not, and my decisions do not typically have life-or-death consequences. I also don't even know what you're getting at. There was nothing "relativistic" or "morally grey" about my argument. My point is that in order for any kind of peace to exist, each country must be able to accept that there will be other people in the world who are morally repugnant to them. Because there will always be leaders who consider each other repugnant, so if you endorse starting wars over that, you're committing to a world where everyone is starting wars all the time as the international norm.
- skeeter2020 7mo ago>> In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives. You should really unpack these statements, especially if you're trying to have a "grown up conversation". You're saying that no price is too high for achieving military objectives, even those that are very unclear and unilaterally defined without justification by a easily distracted narcissist with obvious goals of distracting from his domestic problems.
- Pay08 7mo agoHe isn't saying that at all, though. He is saying that by the nature of war, innocent people will die. Everyone knows this, which is why international law is based on proportionality, not on whether or not a single civilian was harmed.
- tremon 7mo agoSo you're saying that killing 150 school girls is a proportionate response to what, exactly? The children would have been safe if their parents would have preemptively sent them away to Epstein's Kid Rock?
- applfanboysbgon 7mo agoDestroying a school is not an "oopsie". It should literally not be possible for it to happen in any organization that values human life at all. This was a precision strike with three missiles hitting the same target, they should have been goddamn sure they knew where the millions of dollars in ordnance they were launching for the purpose of ending human life were headed. Of course, the US military places zero value on not murdering civilians, which it has shown time and time again throughout its history, so this is the obvious result: massacre by intentional negligence. It's absolutely fucking insane to downplay it like these things just happen and are unavoidable. What is wrong with you? Maybe you don't understand these are not just numbers on a screen? How many children do you know in your life? Is it even close to 150? Can you imagine every single child you know being killed and shrugging that off, insulting people who bring it up as being "sensationalist" and "polluting the conversation"?
- trimethylpurine 7mo agoI notice you're not critical of Iran's military intentionally firing on civilians. Why?
- applfanboysbgon 7mo agoBecause that was not the subject of the conversation. Iran's military killing civilians is bad, but that does not somehow justify also killing their civilians. WTF even is your logic?
- trimethylpurine 7mo agoIt certainly doesn't justify killing civilians.
- mhb 7mo agoThe US made a mistake while attempting to ensure that insane theocrats who are close to building nuclear weapons are not able to. The fondest wish of the religious lunatics in charge of Iran (and we know this because they have told us) is to annihilate the US and Israel. They have demonstrated missiles that can reach Europe. These dots don't seem hard to connect.
- ekjhgkejhgk 7mo agoI think the military planners sat in the Pentagon and thought "Hey if we hit this school and kill all these children, that will achieve us X. Shall we do it?" And then they decided to do it. Yes, that's what I think.
- Pay08 7mo agoSurely nothing to do with the missile launcher next to it, right?
- ekjhgkejhgk 7mo agoSo you do conceed that someone at the pentagon intentionally decided "we'll kill al these children but that's worth it in order to achieve X". You've just made my point for me.
- tmountain 7mo agoGrow up conversations aren’t possible when the clowns are running the circus.
- enlightenedfool 7mo agoGood try. When you are complicit in genocide in Gaza, destroy multiple countries on pretext of democracy and human rights, start wars with blatant lies, the "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" is actually being kind.
- nutjob2 7mo agoSometimes a mistake is negligence. If you're going to use lethal force it's a good idea to check your facts first. It's been a school for years, how was that missed? None of that happened because the US was unprepared for this war. It was Bibi's idea and Trump is weak and incompetent so he just went along with it, ironically because he thought it would avoid making him look weak and incompetent.
- adwn 7mo ago> ironically because he thought it would avoid making him look weak and incompetent Trump is what a weak man imagines a strong man to be like. Just look at his official portrait [1], trying to look tough and dangerous. Compare that to Dwight D. Eisenhower's portrait [2], a man who commanded entire armies in the largest war in human history. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#/media/File:Official_Presidential_Portrait_of_President_Donald_J._Trump_(2025).jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump#/media/File:Offic... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower#/media/File:Dwight_D._Eisenhower,_official_photo_portrait,_May_29,_1959_(cropped)(3).jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower#/media/Fi...
- watwut 7mo agoHave you heard Hegseth speeches lately? Or Trumps? Like, yes, evil military planners did sat down and said "rules of engagement are woke, the working groups handling civilian safety are waste of money, be maximum lethal". Also, they had no stable military objectives except "make my insecure masculinity feel manly".
- Forgeties79 7mo agoWould you be so calm if someone made a mistake with your kid’s school? I have heard more than one Trump-defender say “well they would have grown up to attack us.”
- kakacik 7mo agoThen somebody should be punished so severely that incidence would go down dramatically. I dont mean 2 weeks administrative leave (or medal and promotion), I mean lives ruined, names tarnished, and/or people executed/jailed for 20 lives for mass (in)voluntary manslaughter. In reality, in same vein quite a few US laws are set. If you are not US passport holder you are subhuman. Less rights, less care, more disposable, just a garbage to step on. We saw it enough in past 80 years to see a clear pattern everywhere US went and (mostly) failed. For those slow in back rows - this is how you get almost endless stream of new fanatical recruits to merry groups like isis or al-queda. Dumb, supremely dumb. Yeah, 'a mistake, it can happen'. Fuck that american self-entitled rotten racist mentality. Then you wonder why whole world hates you now and what you stand for and represent. What a success story for america in past year.
- mikkupikku 7mo agoPossibly so, yes, that may have happened. The strike may have been calculated to inflame the Iranian public and lock them into a prolonged conflict, great for military contractors and their shareholders.
- wsc981 7mo agoSeems in Libanon the IDF is currently targeting hospitals and first responders [0]. Sometimes people are just evil. Regarding the USA-Iran war, the president of the USA has threatened to destroy essential infrastructure (e.g. electricity) if Iran doesn't surrender in 48 hours. Which, from my understanding, is a war crime. I think Trump is perfectly ok with bombing schools and hospitals. --- [0]: https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/2035545687006298392?s=20 https://x.com/haaretzcom/status/2035545687006298392?s=20
- abenga 7mo agoIs the fact that is a mistake a comfort to the kids' parents, siblings, or friends? Are they somehow less dead?
- lonelyasacloud 7mo ago> In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives. There has been little planning and there are no sane military objectives beyond blow stuff up. How can there be when the objectives of the overall war change depend on what side of the bed Bone Spurs got out.
- vasac 7mo ago> Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon... Why shouldn’t he believe it? You people believe the same kind of crap when you're told that X (insert the current boogeyman de jour) hates Murica and wants to kill you all.
- pepperoni_pizza 7mo ago> Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Absolutely. Russia does it all the time, IDF does it all the time, why would the Pentagon be any different?
- mlsu 7mo agoI simply had a few beers before getting behind the wheel. Honestly, judge, can we admit: nobody wants to run over anyone with their car. Cmon, do you really think I was twirling my moustache, thinking about how I would love to run those people over? Of course not! No, I am a benevolent fun loving guy. And I was simply having a few beers! How else is a good guy like me supposed to get home?
- 10xDev 7mo agoA double tap strike as well. Definitely no mistake: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Minab_school_attack Edit: *triple tap.
- austinjp 7mo agoTriple, according to Wikipedia.
- card_zero 7mo agoI would like the Iranian regime to be destroyed more responsibly and carefully.
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- card_zero 7mo agoWould you not like the Iranian regime to be destroyed at all?
- 10xDev 7mo agoIt wasn't sarcasm. We are on the same team here.
- card_zero 7mo agoI suppose it comes down to: is it about time for somebody to blunder into this and destructively mismanage the war, or shall we wait another forty years?
- hugo1789 7mo agoNo I would not. They posed no immediate danger to anyone of us until that attack.
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- wholinator2 7mo agoOkay, let's compare. How many iranians has the regime killed over the last few months. They've said they would continue indiscriminately killing as long as it took, the regime would literally destroy Iran rather than let go of their dreams of Muslim empire. They killed tens of thousands of people. Every persian person i know or have even heard about had been highly supportive of the war, with the singular goal of replacing the ayatollah. I hate Trump, i don't think he's necessarily doing it for the right reasons, and i think he's incredibly stupid for the way this didn't need to be a catastrophe for the economy (saying he would fill the strategic oil reserves, not doing that, starting a war that blocks hormuz). But it really bothers me to see everyone touting around the girls school. Do you really think they did that on purpose? The iranian regime would do that in a heartbeat if it meant harming America. How can you care so much about the 1 school and not have cared at all about the tens of thousands of brave protestors literally mowed down with machine guns. Or does it not matter because you didn't see it? They shut off the internet for a reason, and it appears to have worked. Yes, was is bad, trump is a massive ego and idiot. But nothing we've done has come even close to what the regime has been doing to their own people since 1979.
- malfist 7mo agoI guess if someone else is killing innocent people it makes it fine for us to kill innocent people too.
- philipallstar 7mo agoAccidentally killing someone in service of destroying a military is not as bad as a regime just deliberately killing its citizens, no.
- malfist 7mo agoHow does one "accidentally" target a school three times?
- OvidNaso 7mo agoBut at some point incompetence crossing the line to being gross and shifts the moral balance as well. This wasn't a 'deep in the fog of war' situation, that girls school was part of an opening strike package...and because of that, we need to find out more, but that "deliberately" is an open question with the facts we have now.
- mlsu 7mo agohttps://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-region-and-1819594296/ https://theonion.com/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mi...
- convolvatron 7mo agoI still think often about the article. it was published in the runup to full on invasion of Iraq by Bush Jr. While it certainly was spot on capturing the dynamic of the argument, it was also deeply prescient about the impacts of that war. and now we find ourselves in nearly the same situation "they will welcome us as liberators", "it will just take two weeks", "the United States was in imminent danger of attack by weapons of mass destruction", "these are really bad totalitarian people and we are morally required to intervene". word for word. and still, after doing this twice to countries directly to the east and west, and having poured money and blood into the sand to end up in a worse position than before, we're taking another run at it, with even less justification. before bringing up the fate of the Iranian people, maybe we should look at the Iraquis - they certainly didn't benefit, or the Afghanis, or the Venezuelans to take a more recent example. It takes a special kind of idiot to ignore all that recent history and support this assault.
- Hikikomori 7mo agoAnd netanyahu was there to lie to congress about WMDs back then as well.