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Every cargo install (rust) I've down downloads 300 to 700 packages Every C++ app I install in linux requires 250 packages Every python app I install and then

Every cargo install (rust) I've down downloads 300 to 700 packages Every C++ app I install in linux requires 250 packages Every python app I install and then pip install requirements uses 150 packages.

stingraycharles 7mo ago
This is not true at all.
Tade0 7mo ago
A while ago I started a game project in Rust using one of the popular engines. 10GB of build artifacts for the debug target.
- embedding-shape 7mo ago
  You should give it a try to compile other game engines, and compare them, Unreal Engine is a fun one with the source available, take a look how big their artifacts are :) With that said, there are plenty of small game engines out there, but couple Rust's somewhat slow compile times with the ecosystems preferences for "many crates" over "one big crate", and yeah, even medium-scale game engines like Bevy take a bunch of time and space to compile. But it is a whole game engine after all, maybe not representative of general development in the community.
- andai 7mo ago
  In Rust land, I enjoyed Macroquad, for simple 2D stuff. It's very much in the vein of XNA/MonoGame.
IshKebab 7mo ago
I wouldn't say every Rust app does, but I do think it has become more normal for Rust apps to have 200-600 dependencies. However when I look at the list, they usually all make sense, unlike with NPM. There are rarely any one-line crates. Actually I haven't seen any yet (except joke ones of course). There's no way the average C++ app uses 250 packages though. It's usually more like 5. C++ packaging is a huge pain so people tend to use them only when absolutely necessary, and you get huge libraries like Boost primarily because of the packaging difficulty. I would say Python varies but 150 sounds high. Something more like 50-100 is typical in my experience.
- PaulDavisThe1st 7mo ago
  Ardour (an open-source x-platform digital audio workstation, written in C++) has on the order of 80 dependencies.

stingraycharles 7mo ago

This is not true at all.

Tade0 7mo ago

A while ago I started a game project in Rust using one of the popular engines. 10GB of build artifacts for the debug target.

embedding-shape 7mo ago
You should give it a try to compile other game engines, and compare them, Unreal Engine is a fun one with the source available, take a look how big their artifacts are :) With that said, there are plenty of small game engines out there, but couple Rust's somewhat slow compile times with the ecosystems preferences for "many crates" over "one big crate", and yeah, even medium-scale game engines like Bevy take a bunch of time and space to compile. But it is a whole game engine after all, maybe not representative of general development in the community.
andai 7mo ago
In Rust land, I enjoyed Macroquad, for simple 2D stuff. It's very much in the vein of XNA/MonoGame.

IshKebab 7mo ago

I wouldn't say every Rust app does, but I do think it has become more normal for Rust apps to have 200-600 dependencies. However when I look at the list, they usually all make sense, unlike with NPM. There are rarely any one-line crates. Actually I haven't seen any yet (except joke ones of course). There's no way the average C++ app uses 250 packages though. It's usually more like 5. C++ packaging is a huge pain so people tend to use them only when absolutely necessary, and you get huge libraries like Boost primarily because of the packaging difficulty. I would say Python varies but 150 sounds high. Something more like 50-100 is typical in my experience.

PaulDavisThe1st 7mo ago
Ardour (an open-source x-platform digital audio workstation, written in C++) has on the order of 80 dependencies.