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I'm not convinced the bad market is due to AI at all. That's just a convenient excuse to do layoffs without the bad PR normally involved in admitting you need

by 0x3f 7mo ago

I'm not convinced the bad market is due to AI at all. That's just a convenient excuse to do layoffs without the bad PR normally involved in admitting you need to do layoffs. Also, the Open to Work banner has the stink of desperation. Highly recommend disabling it. It's like dating. Act casual.

0xy 7mo ago
The open to work banner is an extremely negative signal. Nobody should use it.
- epicureanideal 7mo ago
  Unless you're desperate to feed and house your family and anything that shortens your search by a day might keep a roof over your head?
  - el_benhameen 7mo ago
    I think the point is that the banner is more likely to extend your search by sending a negative signal than it is to speed up your search. Fair or not, potential employers often have a negative bias toward people who are unemployed, so indicating that you’re likely unemployed is unhelpful.
    - bpodgursky 7mo ago
      It would be far more effective to spin up a placeholder 1-person contracting firm as your current employment even if it's marginal work for pocket change (build websites for a friend or something).
- muzani 7mo ago
  There's some data from Aline of interviewing.io who says it's a negative signal during a hot market but a neutral signal during a layoff market.
  - esafak 7mo ago
    https://interviewing.io/blog/whos-open-to-work-a-tale-of-two-labor-markets https://interviewing.io/blog/whos-open-to-work-a-tale-of-two...
eapressoandcats 7mo ago
I think it is both a partial contributor but also overstated for the reason you mentioned. The main culprits IMO are over hiring during the zero interest rate period as well as the never ending increases in the supply of CS graduates.
- abirch 7mo ago
  I believe it's not only the supply of CS graduates, it's their training as well. CS education seems to have changed little over the past 50 years. While the skills needed today are drastically different than those needed 10 years ago. I have little doubt that if I had an opportunity to use Claude to do my CS homework, I would have used it. It seems that the curriculum should assume that college kids are going to use the latest agents and dramatically increase how hard the homework is.
  - andrewflnr 7mo ago
    This is like saying that people are going to the gym with power armor, so personal trainers should dramatically increase how heavy the weights are for their clients.
    - amarant 7mo ago
      If that helps the clients learn to control the power armour, and if they can later get a job as a power armour operator, then I don't see what the problem with that is? They won't be fit to work as body builders, sure, but presumably that's not what they were going for when they strapped on the power armour. Same as CS graduates aren't going to enter a work force that writes code by hand, and shouldn't expect to. The job market requires power armour operators, not muscle heads. Professional programming without AI assistance is a thing of the past. Much like stablehands or squires or farriers. You can still do it as a hobby though. You know, for fun. If you want to. It's like knitting!
    - jasomill 7mo ago
      In a world where trainees are sent directly from the gym to the front lines to fight in power armor against power armor-equipped opponents, they probably should.
djmips 7mo ago
Then the situation could be far worse depending on the percentage of people feel like you.
devld 7mo ago
> Also, the Open to Work banner has the stink of desperation It may as well say: "need work, bad"
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by 0x3f 7mo ago

0xy 7mo ago

The open to work banner is an extremely negative signal. Nobody should use it.

epicureanideal 7mo ago
Unless you're desperate to feed and house your family and anything that shortens your search by a day might keep a roof over your head?
- el_benhameen 7mo ago
  I think the point is that the banner is more likely to extend your search by sending a negative signal than it is to speed up your search. Fair or not, potential employers often have a negative bias toward people who are unemployed, so indicating that you’re likely unemployed is unhelpful.
  - bpodgursky 7mo ago
    It would be far more effective to spin up a placeholder 1-person contracting firm as your current employment even if it's marginal work for pocket change (build websites for a friend or something).
muzani 7mo ago
There's some data from Aline of interviewing.io who says it's a negative signal during a hot market but a neutral signal during a layoff market.
- esafak 7mo ago
  https://interviewing.io/blog/whos-open-to-work-a-tale-of-two-labor-markets https://interviewing.io/blog/whos-open-to-work-a-tale-of-two...

eapressoandcats 7mo ago

I think it is both a partial contributor but also overstated for the reason you mentioned. The main culprits IMO are over hiring during the zero interest rate period as well as the never ending increases in the supply of CS graduates.

abirch 7mo ago
I believe it's not only the supply of CS graduates, it's their training as well. CS education seems to have changed little over the past 50 years. While the skills needed today are drastically different than those needed 10 years ago. I have little doubt that if I had an opportunity to use Claude to do my CS homework, I would have used it. It seems that the curriculum should assume that college kids are going to use the latest agents and dramatically increase how hard the homework is.
- andrewflnr 7mo ago
  This is like saying that people are going to the gym with power armor, so personal trainers should dramatically increase how heavy the weights are for their clients.
  - amarant 7mo ago
    If that helps the clients learn to control the power armour, and if they can later get a job as a power armour operator, then I don't see what the problem with that is? They won't be fit to work as body builders, sure, but presumably that's not what they were going for when they strapped on the power armour. Same as CS graduates aren't going to enter a work force that writes code by hand, and shouldn't expect to. The job market requires power armour operators, not muscle heads. Professional programming without AI assistance is a thing of the past. Much like stablehands or squires or farriers. You can still do it as a hobby though. You know, for fun. If you want to. It's like knitting!
  - jasomill 7mo ago
    In a world where trainees are sent directly from the gym to the front lines to fight in power armor against power armor-equipped opponents, they probably should.

djmips 7mo ago

Then the situation could be far worse depending on the percentage of people feel like you.

devld 7mo ago

> Also, the Open to Work banner has the stink of desperation It may as well say: "need work, bad"

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