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> If you take it and you feel your anxiety is lessened, that's the greatest proof you can ask for. This mistake has been made many time throughout history. Coc

> If you take it and you feel your anxiety is lessened, that's the greatest proof you can ask for. This mistake has been made many time throughout history. Cocaine was originally believed to be a viable treatment for depression. Opioids and amphetamines too. You take them and you feel good for a while, which was mistakenly equated with treating depression. Many drugs will make you feel good temporarily by blocking certain feelings or tricking your brain into feeling good. This is not the same as treating a condition. You can think of actual treatments as working closer to the source to reduce the problem, not temporarily overriding it with a powerful drug-induced sensation.

noosphr 8mo ago
Alcohol too. It's not a cure. It's a high.
- mapontosevenths 8mo ago
  Im unaware of any frequently medicated psychiatric disorder for which there is a cure. Are all psych meds just "a high"?
mikkupikku 8mo ago
> Cocaine was originally believed to be a viable treatment for depression. Is it not?? Sure there's the addiction and harm from abuse that make it less than ideal for long term use, to put it mildly, but weed isn't coke so what's really the argument here?
- DANmode 8mo ago
  Acetaminophen blunts the parasympathetic nervous system…what do you think cocaine could be capable of?
  - mikkupikku 8mo ago
    Tylenol causes depression, got it. Advise to take seriously.
    - DANmode 8mo ago
      You don’t need to put words into my mouth to justify using coke, it’s fine.
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andoando 8mo ago
How do amphetamines treat the source of ADHD? Psychiatry as its practiced has no idea as to what depression even is under the hood. The entire science is based on the patients self reported feelings or the psychatrists feeling of how someone else is feeling. What you're saying is something else, that drugs can produce long term harm despite short term improvements
- Aurornis 8mo ago
  > The entire science is based on the patients self reported feelings or the psychatrists feeling of how someone else is feeling. This study is showing that THC, CBD, blends, or cannabis do not improve self-reported feelings over the long term. You can use pedantry and wordplay all you want, but no matter how we look at this study it does not show positive effects. > What you're saying is something else, that drugs can produce long term harm despite short term improvements Recreational drugs make you feel good temporarily. That's literally why people do them. They also cause harm when abused. These are all obvious and well known facts.
  - andoando 8mo ago
    I dont have a problem with the study or its conclusions, just the parent post I was replying to. >Recreational drugs make you feel good temporarily. That's literally why people do them. The point Im making is this is true for a ton of psychiatric or even non psychatric treatments. And to be perfectly clear Im not saying you should be treating your anxiety with weed, even if it does help you
    - Aurornis 8mo ago
      > The point Im making is this is true for a ton of psychiatric or even non psychatric treatments That point wasn't intended to be taken in isolation. I was making statements about how long-term treatment of an underlying condition is not the same as taking a drug which temporarily masks a problem or induces altered mood states. The fact that a drug has acute effects, good or bad, is separate from any conversation about chronic effects. For depression, anxiety, and other conditions it's the chronic effects that matter. The acute effects almost become side effects at that point. For some drugs, getting to long-term treatment involves tolerating the acute effects while your body adapts
harimau777 8mo ago
I mean, aren't they effective treatments? As someone who has had depression literally as long as I can remember, being able to releve my symptoms when I really need it, even for just an hour, would be life changing.
- mapontosevenths 8mo ago
  Acetaminophen also does not provide long term benefit. I am still glad its available when I need it. It reduces suffering in the moment, which is sometimes the entire goal.

noosphr 8mo ago

Alcohol too. It's not a cure. It's a high.

mapontosevenths 8mo ago
Im unaware of any frequently medicated psychiatric disorder for which there is a cure. Are all psych meds just "a high"?

mikkupikku 8mo ago

> Cocaine was originally believed to be a viable treatment for depression. Is it not?? Sure there's the addiction and harm from abuse that make it less than ideal for long term use, to put it mildly, but weed isn't coke so what's really the argument here?

DANmode 8mo ago
Acetaminophen blunts the parasympathetic nervous system…what do you think cocaine could be capable of?
- mikkupikku 8mo ago
  Tylenol causes depression, got it. Advise to take seriously.
  - DANmode 8mo ago
    You don’t need to put words into my mouth to justify using coke, it’s fine.

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andoando 8mo ago

How do amphetamines treat the source of ADHD? Psychiatry as its practiced has no idea as to what depression even is under the hood. The entire science is based on the patients self reported feelings or the psychatrists feeling of how someone else is feeling. What you're saying is something else, that drugs can produce long term harm despite short term improvements

Aurornis 8mo ago
> The entire science is based on the patients self reported feelings or the psychatrists feeling of how someone else is feeling. This study is showing that THC, CBD, blends, or cannabis do not improve self-reported feelings over the long term. You can use pedantry and wordplay all you want, but no matter how we look at this study it does not show positive effects. > What you're saying is something else, that drugs can produce long term harm despite short term improvements Recreational drugs make you feel good temporarily. That's literally why people do them. They also cause harm when abused. These are all obvious and well known facts.
- andoando 8mo ago
  I dont have a problem with the study or its conclusions, just the parent post I was replying to. >Recreational drugs make you feel good temporarily. That's literally why people do them. The point Im making is this is true for a ton of psychiatric or even non psychatric treatments. And to be perfectly clear Im not saying you should be treating your anxiety with weed, even if it does help you
  - Aurornis 8mo ago
    > The point Im making is this is true for a ton of psychiatric or even non psychatric treatments That point wasn't intended to be taken in isolation. I was making statements about how long-term treatment of an underlying condition is not the same as taking a drug which temporarily masks a problem or induces altered mood states. The fact that a drug has acute effects, good or bad, is separate from any conversation about chronic effects. For depression, anxiety, and other conditions it's the chronic effects that matter. The acute effects almost become side effects at that point. For some drugs, getting to long-term treatment involves tolerating the acute effects while your body adapts

harimau777 8mo ago

I mean, aren't they effective treatments? As someone who has had depression literally as long as I can remember, being able to releve my symptoms when I really need it, even for just an hour, would be life changing.

mapontosevenths 8mo ago
Acetaminophen also does not provide long term benefit. I am still glad its available when I need it. It reduces suffering in the moment, which is sometimes the entire goal.