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I really is ridiculous, and somehow the number only gets bigger as the stories are told! Last I saw was "40,000 protestors murdered in just 24 hours!", or somet
by GordonS 7mo ago
I really is ridiculous, and somehow the number only gets bigger as the stories are told! Last I saw was "40,000 protestors murdered in just 24 hours!", or something very close to it.
The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran for weeks now, blowing up hospitals, schools, power plants and residential buildings, yet the Iranian death toll is "only" around 1,500 so far. Yet we are to believe that Iran killed 40k of its own people in a day - you would literally be able to see piles of corpses from space!
Israel has also claimed that they've hacked every traffic camera in Tehran, yet are mysteriously unable to provide any actual evidence of the supposed massacre - meanwhile, Iran released several videos showing foreign agitators distributing weapons, people attacking civilians etc.
- jandrewrogers 7mo ago> The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran No they haven't. The US started phasing out carpet bombing[0] half a century ago. You discredit yourself by making such trivially falsifiable assertions. The US and Israel use precision strikes. It is why the ratio of targets per sortie is by far the highest ever recorded in a major conflict. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing
- GordonS 7mo agoLook at the videos coming out of Iran - civilian infrastructure and residences are clearly being targeted. Some unexploded bombs have been found that lack a JDAM guidance package. And regardless of the USA, Israel is most certainly not above carpet bombing civilians.
- magic_hamster 7mo ago[flagged]
- GordonS 7mo agoBe serious, look at what has been done to Gaza. Israel absolutely sets out to murder civilians, en-masse.
- magic_hamster 7mo ago[flagged]
- srean 7mo agohttps://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Israeli-Executions-of-Palestinian-Aid-Workers.pdf https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...
- Hikikomori 7mo agoAll the children shot in the head as reported by western doctors working there?
- jiggawatts 7mo agoI looked into that one, because it was so outlandish but repeated by multiple sources and reported by reputable journalists. The original reporting was carefully phrased to make it sound like IDF soldiers were "sniping" little children, taking careful aim and deliberately shooting them in the head, which is... monstrous. Where this narrative starts to breaks down is that snipers don't aim for the head, because it's too small a target. Additionally, most of the reports mentioned that the children were shot "in the street" in scuffles with ordinary army grunts, so where were these mysterious "child-murdering snipers"? How were they so reliably hitting small moving targets in the head? It turns out that this phenomenon was a product of Gaza's demographics combined with survivorship bias. Half of Gaza's population is under 18! Teenagers are technically "children", but they're out in the streets throwing rocks or whatever at IDF troops, and get shot at in return. The ones that get hit by half a dozen rounds to the chest die on the spot and aren't taken to hospital because obviously, hospitals are for people that can be saved, not the dead. All of the reports of "children getting shot in the head" were coming from surgeons in hospitals, but they were seeing a biased sample: victims that only got hit once had a chance to survive. Similarly, a minor head-wound isn't instantly lethal, whereas a single round centre-mass typically is. So they were seeing victims with single shots to the head instead of multiple to the chest. They then cooked up a narrative that would explain what they were seeing, not realising that the cause wasn't "evil child murdering snipers", but simply a statistically biased view of a war that is not especially more unethical than any other armed conflict.
- thunky 7mo agoHoly shit what rock are you living under? Israel is villifying itself just fine.
- magic_hamster 7mo agoI argue that anyone saying this is watching too many TikTok videos and not really familiar with what's going on. Without going into too much detail, my position and line of work means that I have to keep very informed on the middle east and so far I've seen a lot of hatred, and very little factual basis. In fact every single person I personally talked to was very uninformed on these matters which is fine, as long as you accept it and don't form extreme opinions on entire countries.
- srean 7mo agohttps://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Israeli-Executions-of-Palestinian-Aid-Workers.pdf https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...
- magic_hamster 7mo agoI'd appreciate if you didn't spam the same link all over my comments, once is enough. And as for "forensic architecture", please visit their website and go over who these people are - especially the Palestinians from Ramallah and self proclaimed "activists". This is by no means an unbiased organization.
- srean 7mo agoThen don't go asking for a report in all of your comments on this page where you have, once is enough. Forensic Architecture is one of the most reputed organizations for this line of work. Their reports are read with great deal of respect here on HN and they cover more than this conflict. If they don't count as credible and competent, nothing will satisfy you -- the moral equivalent of covering one's eyes and ears. So I will appreciate if you stop this sham of yours of asking for a citation. While you are at it, do better than ad hominem. I am still waiting to hear an argument about the content of the extensive and methodical report. For HN audience, the report was discussed on HN here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47136179
- srean 7mo agohttps://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Israeli-Executions-of-Palestinian-Aid-Workers.pdf https://content.forensic-architecture.org/wp-content/uploads...
- jandrewrogers 7mo agoAgain, that's not "carpet bombing". Carpet bombing requires a type of aircraft that Israel doesn't have (though the US does). Why would you expect a precision bomb to have a JDAM package? That is not the only type of guidance package. In fact, most of the footage I've seen (largely Israeli) has clearly been laser-guided bombs. They aren't the same thing, and the latter is more precise than JDAM in any case. Use of precision-guided bombs in a city is not "carpet bombing".
- GordonS 7mo agoEven if their actions might not precisely meet some dictionary definition of "carpet bombing", you know well what I meant - civilians and civilian infrastructure are being deliberately targeted with complete disregard for loss of life and environmental consequences.
- jiggawatts 7mo agoThat’s called war. You’re parroting IRGC propaganda, which is why people are arguing with you. “We are innocent civilians and the Israelis are carpet bombing us”… said by the people that funded October 7th and killed more of their own people than the Israeli bombs did. Iran’s government has been violently belligerent for decades, and continues to this day to bomb its Arab neighbours including hitting their civilians! They don’t get to whine about the morality of civilian versus military deaths.
- GordonS 7mo agoIran has absolutely not been violent for decades. And they don't "continue" to bomb their Arab neighbours - they are only bombing them now because they allowed their land to be used to attack Iran. What exactly are Iran supposed to do here? Just give up, allow their country to be infested with ISIS and Al Qaeda, allow their country balkanised, their citizens massacred indiscriminatly?
- idop 7mo agoYou meant to lie, and you did lie, and you continue to lie. Standard TikTok rage where words no longer have meaning, reality must be rejected, and any headline is true even if the article directly negates it or there's no source, so long as it makes Israel look bad. I swear, it's almost as if the anti-Israel mob _wants_ it to be true.
- TheAlchemist 7mo agoWhile I somewhat agree, you should also look at the results of those precision strikes. Usually, when they kill a senior Iranian officer sleeping in his appartment, they level the building or at lest blow up several adjacent units, probably killing at last 10 innocent people.
- jandrewrogers 7mo agoThat's an inherent limitation of precision strikes. The objective is minimizing the collateral damage required to achieve the objective, not avoiding it entirely. Even the various explosive-free precision-guided munitions the US uses have a non-zero damage radius. One can argue whether or not it is a good idea for the bombs to be flying around in the first place, but there is no version of physics that allows anyone to avoid collateral damage as a practical matter.
- breppp 7mo agoThis one from the 12 day war did https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Iran-scientist-strike.jpg?w=1235&h=694 https://www.twz.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/Iran-scientis...
- TheAlchemist 7mo agoI know. I'm just saying that the way we talk about 'precision strikes' in the west, make one feel like only the target is eliminated, while in reality we usually blow half of the building the target was in, along with all the people. I would actually be interested by a poll on what people in the US think about how many innocent people are killed in a precision or elimination strike on average - I bet it would be something like less than 1.
- jiggawatts 7mo agoWhich is not “carpet bombing”. Use words and phrases correctly, or expect an argument.
- pcthrowaway 7mo ago
- catgary 7mo agoI think there are 5-7 thousand confirmed deaths by the UN, and medical reports in Iran estimated there could be 20,000+ casualties.