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Is this really a thing?!? Blasting the others with unwanted noise. I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respec
by pjmlp 8mo ago
Is this really a thing?!? Blasting the others with unwanted noise.
I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others.
The only ones pumping anything loud, on trains or busses, usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personal or security.
Ah, and then there are the rebellious kids or gangs, as the other exception, which usually don't take flights anyway.
- mikkupikku 8mo agoIn America, a small number of people derive pleasure from being disruptive to everybody, and blasting music on public transit with captive audiences is a very "traditional" way of fucking with people and expressing your broad contempt for their society. I'd estimate that maybe one in five times you get on a city bus in America, you'll encounter somebody like this. Very rarely does anybody call them out or otherwise try to reign it in, because you're as likely as not to be physically attacked and in America, the odds of bystanders coming to your rescue are... Not zero, but not great.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo agoI’ve absolutely seen this nonsense in the UK.
- mikkupikku 8mo agoDoesn't surprise me, but I'm only speaking from my experience in America.
- gib444 8mo agoYup. Eg guys getting on Thameslink services in south London, walking right up to the area behind the driver's cab and and start creating a disturbance. Driver stops the train and has a go at them if he's feeling in the mood...
- LaurensBER 8mo ago20%? That's a bit insane. This does happen in Europe but is heavily looked down up on and usually quickly corrected. On the other hand I did get a chewing out from an older guy for having a conversation with friends on a train once, so some people take it perhaps a bit too serious.
- keiferski 8mo agoIt’s very much a thing on US public transit, with the added negative bonus that no one ever confronts the person doing it, because chances are they’re either crazy, armed, or both.
- slg 8mo ago>is a very "traditional" way of fucking with people and expressing your broad contempt for their society. Motivated in large part as a response to society saying fuck them. I'm not defending assholes being assholes, but I think what we have been seeing in the US over the last 5 or 10 years is classic collapse of the social contract stuff. The less a society cares about its people the less its people will care about the rest of society.
- mikkupikku 8mo agoI get what you're saying, but blasting music on buses has been a thing since boom-boxes were invented, it's nothing new. I am also not inclined to blame systems instead of individuals because most people with the same background of injustice will choose to respond to that injustice by being better than it. It's only a very small number of people being disruptive like this, while the number of people with fair and understandable grievances against society is massive.
- slg 8mo ago>I get what you're saying, but blasting music on buses has been a thing since boom-boxes were invented, it's nothing new. Yes, because people have always felt like outsiders in relation to society. My point was that this sort of public misbehaving is getting worse because social cohesion is getting even worse. Not everyone with grievances against society will respond this way, but as more people have grievances against society, more people will respond in a manner like this.
- 3eb7988a1663 8mo agoIt was referenced in the 1986 Star Trek movie -Spock incapacitates a guy after he refuses to turn down his stereo.
- shagie 8mo agoHe returned in Picard (notice his reaction with his neck). https://youtu.be/r6wDR6heQcU https://youtu.be/r6wDR6heQcU What I did not know is that he was one of the producers for Voyage Home. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0857130/ https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0857130/
- CalRobert 8mo agoHappens elsewhere too. Can be an issue in Dutch trains
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- hallole 8mo agoI don't think I'd have the wherewithal to jump in and do something if I were a bystander. I'm not the sort to throw hands, I don't carry, and these disruptive types are already a bit feral. I'm not sure it's contempt they're expressing, or if they're expressing anything at all. There really are people who enjoy and defend it, too; "it's just a guy playing music, mind your own business." Truly alien.
- AnimalMuppet 8mo agoMy business includes my ears. If you don't want me in your business, keep your business to your ears.
- standardUser 8mo agoI've found that looking the person in the eye and giving a quick "hey, forget your headphones?" sometimes does the trick, and has yet to start a fight. Everyone has to act in ways they are comfortable with - but mass inaction is what creates space for this shitty behavior in the first place.
- dymk 8mo agoI did this on a bus and had a gun pulled on me, so your mileage may vary
- mothballed 8mo agoYes exactly. If they are blasting ethnic music while in an ethnic hood it is usually because they are repping their hood, and sometimes in a way to intentionally bait someone to say something. If you ask them to stop they will pretend it is a challenge on their hood/race (no matter that they will play it so loud everyone's ears are splitting and all they want is not to get hearing damage). I watched a guy pull out a knife and start slashing as soon as he was asked to stop. If you ask such person to stop it is implied they expect you to back that up with violence and you've already consented to a battle.
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- andy99 8mo agoPretty sure on planes this is more ignorance than malice. It’s self absorbed people that are too selfish to consider someone else might not want to hear what they’re watching, rather than some deliberate anti society thing. Regardless, no punishment is too harsh, this should be considered the equivalent of lighting up a cigarette on a plane.
- e40 8mo agoThe idea someone doesn’t know they bothering everyone around them is absurd. It is 100% malice.
- Sharlin 8mo agoHanlon's razor applies. Yes, some people have a bad case of the main character syndrome simply because nobody has ever called them out on it.
- mothballed 8mo agoUsually they have been called out on it a time or two. They are often signaling that if you want to stop them, you'll have to use violence, and look -- no one or almost no one is willing to do that. There are a couple of us who have actually seen someone call them out that are warning folks here what commonly happens. I saw someone get attacked with a knife, another commenter here had a gun pulled on him when they asked them to stop. It isn't about the loud music itself, it's that they're openly saying they are king shit, that no one is willing to challenge them, and broadcasting their eagerness to deliver violence upon anyone that might. The other side of this is that they often do it on places you can't easily escape, like a train car with stops only every 5 minutes. This gives them a very long time to go to town on anyone that might challenges them. Something I've seen with my own eyes when they were asked to tone down the music.
- jghn 8mo ago> They are often signaling that if you want to stop them, you'll have to use violence I'm well aware of the types you're talking about, but in my experience this has largely changed. It used to be that these sorts were the most common offenders. But now it's just, well, everyone and anyone. For instance I don't think the little, old lady in front of me on the bus the other day was challenging people to violence.
- striking 8mo agoSure, but also you might be on a city bus for... half an hour? It's not pleasant to have someone blast noise but it's nothing like a multi-hour flight. Why bother?
- wanderingstan 8mo agoMy go-to technique has been to offer the offender a pair of headphones, saying something to insinuate that they must forgotten theirs or be too poor to afford them. Most of the time they say “oh I have headphones!” and then realize that they’ve outed themselves. (I stockpile the free headphones from gyms or airplanes, or get the $2 ones from AliExpress)
- oidar 8mo agoBluetooth headphones too? This is actually a really good response though. Because the act of having a device blaring demonstrates contempt for everyone one around them. It's hard to act in a hateful way to someone who just offered you something for free.
- wanderingstan 8mo agoExactly. To refuse the “gift” is an explicit statement of “I know I could do this silently but I want to bother everyone around me.”
- boxedemp 8mo agoBig "Kill them with kindness" energy.
- CamJN 8mo agoBut on a plane they'll have already been asked by a flight attendant either by the time the plane takes off, or as soon as it stops climbing. So clearly this isn't working on the people this rule targets. In fact I think this rule is actually the ideal response from the airline and should be adopted everywhere, as anyone who is so unconcerned with the wellbeing of others as to play audio on their device without headphones shouldn't be allowed to fly, as they're obviously happy to fuck up everyone's day, and won't follow instructions.
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- johnfn 8mo agoI mean, you are painting it as some moralistic judgement, but if you’re asking me for on one hand listening to some annoying music, and on the other hand having some chance (however slight) of bodily injury, knife wound, or whatever… I know which one I am going to choose.
- kQq9oHeAz6wLLS 8mo ago> and in America, the odds of bystanders coming to your rescue are... Not zero, but not great Yes, because there's been a recent push to more heavily punish good Samaritans than perpetrators. When good men get metaphorically crucified for helping, they stop helping. If that seems like a common sense outcome of such policies, you're right. But as we've seen time and again, common sense is not a flower that grows in everyone's garden.
- boxedemp 8mo agoHappens in Canada too. Calling them out can be dangerous, people have been injured.
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- baal80spam 8mo agoI can guarantee you that's not only America's problem.
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- gspr 8mo agoI've definitely experienced this on public transit in cities in several different countries here in Europe. It's not an everyday experience, but it definitely happens.
- nslsm 8mo agoThat's because in Europe certain demographics don't catch many planes or trains. But they do catch the tube or the bus, so get on one of those and enjoy the experience.
- DaSHacka 8mo agoLol was wondering how long I would have to scroll before someone pointed out the obvious. People talking about the "collapse of the societal contract", like I wonder how that happened....
- iron_albatross 8mo agoAre there some dog whistles in your comment and its parent? If not then could you restate your point more clearly, it’s not immediately apparent what you’re talking about.
- DaSHacka 8mo agoExplore various countries around the world and you'll see the idea of a quiet, peaceful, train ride is very much culturally dependent. Some places and cultures just have different norms. Take a wild guess what happens when you allow an influx of people from those cultures and norms into a country with opposing norms, with poor frameworks and resources for assimilation?
- Findecanor 8mo agoI've experienced it all over Europe. Trains with reserved seats tend to have a separate "silent car" for this reason.
- Aurornis 8mo agoAgree. It’s funny to see comments trying to act like this never happens in Europe, only America.
- verall 8mo agoFrom what I can tell, if no rule is enforced, about 2-5% of people think it's totally normal to scroll tiktok or instagram at full volume in public. So on a crowded bus you've normally got 1 or 2. Behavior is actually much better on airplanes, usually (maybe 1-2 in ~150 passenger plane), and I have never seen someone who did not silence their phone after being asked politely by the attendant.
- NikolaNovak 8mo agoI am astonished how many people now use speakerphone as their default interaction. On subway, go train, in grocery stores, on the streets, sometimes even in the office, they blast their conversations with zero care. And so yes, I've definitely seen and experienced people watching inane tiktoks on speaker in subway or bus or airplane. It's the epitome of complete lack of empathy or self awareness to me, but I guess that's the way culture is going.
- lostlogin 8mo agoPhone makers deleted the speaker is the ‘courage’ I want.
- fhdkweig 8mo agoThere are times you need speaker-phone mode. My parents almost always turn on speaker-phone when they call me because they both want to be part of the conversation. I don't think they will ever take a plane or a bus trip in their lives so their speaker-phone isn't going to hurt anyone.
- echelon 8mo agoI need speakerphone when I'm home alone and attempting to be on a phone call while doing other things. Some of those calls are even about instructing me to look for something, so it necessitates me to be moving about. Speakerphone is an incredibly useful utility. Don't take functionality away because of a few bad actors. That'd be like getting rid of drones because a few people are assholes. Put rules in place to correct the bad behavior. Kicking them off planes seems fair.
- tzs 8mo agoSpeaker phone is probably necessary nowadays since many people only have a smartphone. With the old phones you could reasonably tilt your head and raise your shoulder to hold the handset in place so you could do something that required two hands while talking/listening, like looking up something in a book or taking notes. Smartphones are smaller than the old handsets and much flatter. I can pinch mine between my shoulder and head but I've got to raise my should pretty high and do some other contortions to get my head tilted enough making it much more awkward to do anything with my hands. Also that phone is small enough that it is pretty well covered in that position by the side of my face and my shoulder, so I'm not sure the mic could pick up much.
- halapro 8mo agoIt's a thing everywhere except very well-behaved places/countries. This means it's almost everywhere. The last time I had an uncle blast his Doujin feed at full volume next to me, I suggested he lower the volume, he didn't care, so I blasted my own feed at louder volume. He got it then. Sadly people a few rows back did the same on the next train...
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- Hamuko 8mo agoLocal trains are full of them.
- balderdash 8mo agoIt is - there are three groups of people that do this generally the completely self absorbed, people from places where it’s culturally acceptable, and people that like the feeling of empowerment that comes from inconveniencing others (the same people that will walk out into traffic with no light / crosswalk)
- callamdelaney 8mo agoHow is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? I’ll cross the road when it’s clear. I don’t blast music in public places though.
- JumpCrisscross 8mo ago> How is walking over a road without a light inconveniencing anyone? They said “walk out into traffic.” That’s rude. You should wait for a signal or a break in the flow so nobody has to brake for you.
- lesuorac 8mo agoGetting pedantic now but depending on the circumstances the traffic is supposed to have stopped for you. Assuming there is no paint on the road an (unmarked) crosswalk may still exist [1] and drivers are supposed to yield to a pedestrian in a marked or unmarked crosswalk [2]. [1]: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH§ionNum=275 https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio.... [2]: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=21950.&lawCode=VEH https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySectio...
- sheiyei 8mo agoGetting pedantic here, "no light / crosswalk" means no crosswalk, painted or not.
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- bluecalm 8mo agoMy experience is the opposite. People blast music or other sounds on flights all the time. In Europe it's also very common to smoke in public, including beaches, restaurants, areas around building entrances. Literring is also very common. Even Switzerland is dirty because cigarette buts are everywhere. It's just that some % of the population are inconsiderate assholes and only heavy enforcement works vs than. Unfortunately this is something our current society is not willing to do.
- cjbgkagh 8mo agoVery much a thing and one of the many reasons I'm becoming more of a recluse, shared public spaces are becoming rather unpleasant. Mostly in the US and LatAm, a fair amount in the UK, not so much in Germany.
- plagiarist 8mo agoThere are fewer and fewer shared public spaces every year anyway. It feels like everything is getting taken over by franchises that want to maximize customer throughput.
- wolfi1 8mo agoit's usually some guy on the neighbouring table at McDonald's
- jraines 8mo agoLast time I flew my family was very early to the gate; it was me, my wife, my 5 and 3 year old girls, and a very elderly lady in a wheelchair who was blasting Kendrick Lamar’s “Not Like Us” from her phone speakers.
- maccard 8mo agoI was on a 2 hour flight this week. The guy in front of me listened to a political podcast on speaker that was loud enough it cut through my noise cancelling earbuds. There was absolutely no chance I was risking my safety calling him out on it in that scenario. > usually get quickly pointed down by other passengers, personnel or security I’ve never, not once, heard a member of staff ask someone to use headphones on transport.
- jghn 8mo agoI can't remember the last time I've been on a flight, train, or bus where there wasn't at least one person playing audio of some sort without headphones.
- tombert 8mo agoOn planes I've mostly seen it with people playing stuff for very young children. I've heard a lot of Cocomelon crap at full volume on planes because I guess parents don't want to have their kids use headphones. I sort of understand it but at the same time I also think it's pretty inconsiderate for the rest of the people on the flight who likely do not want to listen to their kid's awful YouTube show. In the NYC subway I've seen dozens of people who will blast their terrible music very loudly with a bluetooth speaker. These are full-grown adults. I don't know why they do that, I suspect it would sound better on the train with headphones. Maybe it's some form of evangelism, where they think the music is utterly fantastic that everyone should listen to it.
- _se 8mo agoUsually it's because the kid won't wear headphones. Not really an excuse, but a lot of the time the kid is just going to do what they want. What the parents should do in that situation is make them watch without sound, but that's harder than the alternative, so they just do whatever.
- tombert 8mo agoOr the parent should just take the phone away! If the kid won't listen to it quietly then they should do that thing that I believe is called "parenting". Bring a picture book or something for them if they need to be entertained without the phone. This was done by my parents when I was a young kid. I wouldn't turn the volume down on my Game Boy on a flight, so my parents took it away from me until I promised to keep the volume down, which I did after that.
- CamJN 8mo agoI've been on a flight where a set of parents took away their child's tablet, not for being noisy but as punishment for some other bad behaviour. What resulted was 6 hours of a child screaming on an 8 hour flight. Aside from wanting to punt the little shit out the door, I was almost impressed at the kid not giving up after a few minutes, and then hours when nothing changed.
- arikrahman 8mo agoI am already embarassed when my headphone jack slips and everyone can hear a targeted ad putting me on blast. To do so intentionally never occured to me. It would be mortifying.
- Aurornis 8mo ago> I never been in a flight, or train across Europe where passengers showed just lack of respect for the others. In my European travels I’ve definitely seen it. It depends entirely on the region. Europe is a big place. I’ve encountered it in Asian countries too. Again, Asia is huge and diverse. Not coincidentally, it’s the same in the United States. I’ve never seen this on the local commuter train with people traveling to and from work. It’s been a long time since I’ve seen it on a flight (flight attendants did intervene and request they stop). Let’s not try to make this into another “America bad” topic because this is not a uniquely American problem.
- akudha 8mo agoI have been in flights, elevators (not joking), coffee shops where people were listening to music or were on phone calls, on speaker. There are some weirdos amongst us. There were a handful of reports of people singing religious music, in planes while on flight. I haven’t had the pleasure of listening to this, thankfully
- nunez 8mo agoBig time! I fly every week. There's always ONE F**ING GUY who needs to have Instagram or TikTok going at full blast.
- mvdtnz 8mo agoIt's a problem everywhere. People on the golf course walk around with bluetooth speakers audible to players in front and behind. Mountain bikers play music audible to other trail users. Many people have absolutely no regard for others around them and this manifests through noise nuisance.
- hysan 8mo agoYes, at least in my experience on flights in the USA. It’s very rare but it does happen. I was lucky one time that the person doing it sat next to me and I politely asked them to use headphones and no fuss was had.
- MattPalmer1086 8mo agoIt never used to happen in the UK but now people do it every day on tubes and trains. I had to move seats twice last week due to these assholes blasting their stuff out. I don't know what changed exactly. It was definitely seen as antisocial behaviour in the past. I'll just leave this clip here of Spock dealing with a noisy punk on a bus. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf5iwGZNY_Q https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf5iwGZNY_Q
- adapiz 8mo agoYes, it is. I've been on a long distance train and there was some guy watching a movie on his tablet. Sleeping. In the quiet zone. Rude, loud people usually don’t react kindly when you call them out on their behavior. It’s practically asking for trouble. That may be one reason why many people avoid conflict, even if it bothers them a lot.