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I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising aga
by gizajob 7mo ago
I can’t be an apologist for what’s going on but the Iranians seemed capable of killing tens of thousands of their own citizens in order to quash an uprising against the regime only weeks before the current events.
- cardanome 7mo agoThousands, not tens of thousands. Which is bad enough so it seems silly to lie about this but whoever can make up the biggest number seems to favored by the Western narrative. And let us not act like the decades of sanction were not designed to do exactly this. Sanctions mean you create as much hardships as possible for the people in hope they topple their government. They nearly never work but here we are. > Contrary to popular belief, economic sanctions are ineffective in fulfilling their objectives. Historical observations from Russia to Cuba and Iran reveal that the more sanctions are designed to pressure the ruling class, the harder ordinary citizens are hit. Leaders often perceive sanctions as a means to enhance nationalism, portraying the United States and its allies as hostile. In many instances, such actions have only strengthened their hold on power while stifling dissent internally. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yljdgwppzo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yljdgwppzo As for the protests, the truth is also that these were not peaceful protests. Mossads agents had been arming people and instructing them to riot. Hundreds of police offers have been murdered and mosques have been burned down. Mossad agents have been instructed to fire at protestors to increase the death toll. Yes, there has been valid criticism and unhappiness with the government. But most of these people had been protesting for economic reasons. They didn't want to see their country invaded. Today many of the people that had protested in January are joining the mass demonstrations in favor of the Islamic Republic. The war has united the Iranians.
- rcMgD2BwE72F 7mo ago>Mossad agents have been instructed to fire at protestors to increase the death toll. Source?
- geraneum 7mo agoThe state TV. It’s impossible they lie.
- cardanome 7mo ago> Hundreds of people died when security forces sought to crush the demonstrations, along with dozens of members of the police and Basij militia. Iranian intelligence operatives internally concluded that some of the violence was being encouraged and facilitated by Israeli operatives, according to the sources. “Foreign actors linked to Israeli intelligence services had, over time, established contact—through various social media platforms and under diverse cover identities—with a significant number of Iranian citizens, particularly young people,” the Iranian intelligence official alleged. These Israeli handlers, he said, “encouraged and incentivized the performance of specific tasks through a combination of financial and non-financial rewards, as well as the provision of material support, including small arms and other equipment.” > “Foreign actors are arming the protesters in Iran with live firearms, which is the reason for the hundreds of regime personnel killed,” wrote Tamir Morag, the diplomatic correspondent for Israel’s Channel 14, during the uprising. “Everyone is free to guess who is behind it.” Morag and his network are well known for their close ties to Netanyahu. https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/iran-ministry-of-intelligence-israel-infiltration-spies https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/iran-ministry-of-intelligence... You also find the some information in a Israeli Newspaper: > On December 29, what is dubbed the Mossad X/Twitter account in Farsi encouraged Iranians to protest against the Iranian regime, telling them that it is literally physically with them at the demonstrations. > “Go out together into the streets. The time has come,” the Mossad wrote. “We are with you,” it added. “Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.” [...] > Foreign actors had armed Iranians to help them fight against the regime’s forces being used to crack down on and oppress protesters, Channel 14’s Tamir Morag reported Tuesday. Iran’s foreign minister retweeted the report for his own agenda. https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-883524 https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-883524 See also interview with Prof. Marandi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-tcwcon30M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-tcwcon30M He claims the a nurse was burned alive in a clinic by rioters.
- throwawayheui57 7mo ago
- UltraSane 7mo ago"Mossads agents had been arming people and instructing them to riot. " This feels far too much like Iranian government propaganda to be plausible.
- flyinglizard 7mo ago[flagged]
- UltraSane 7mo agoBelieving anything the insane Shia Theocracy running Iran says is also deranged. They are even bigger liars than Trump.
- srean 7mo agoThat would be right from the text book of any psyops and insurgency operation. This is as standard operating procedure as it gets. It would be very surprising if they didn't. Heck FBI was doing it to citizens at one point, during war against terror.
- cardanome 7mo agoMossad has literally admitted to that. Let me even quote an Israeli newspaper: > On December 29, what is dubbed the Mossad X/Twitter account in Farsi encouraged Iranians to protest against the Iranian regime, telling them that it is literally physically with them at the demonstrations. > “Go out together into the streets. The time has come,” the Mossad wrote. “We are with you,” it added. “Not only from a distance and verbally. We are with you in the field.” [...] > Foreign actors had armed Iranians to help them fight against the regime’s forces being used to crack down on and oppress protesters, Channel 14’s Tamir Morag reported Tuesday. Iran’s foreign minister retweeted the report for his own agenda. https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-883524 https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/iran-news/article-883524
- UltraSane 7mo agoIranians don't NEED any external motivation to riot. The current Shia Theocracy that runs Iran is completely insane and incompetent and cruel.
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- GordonS 7mo agoI really is ridiculous, and somehow the number only gets bigger as the stories are told! Last I saw was "40,000 protestors murdered in just 24 hours!", or something very close to it. The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran for weeks now, blowing up hospitals, schools, power plants and residential buildings, yet the Iranian death toll is "only" around 1,500 so far. Yet we are to believe that Iran killed 40k of its own people in a day - you would literally be able to see piles of corpses from space! Israel has also claimed that they've hacked every traffic camera in Tehran, yet are mysteriously unable to provide any actual evidence of the supposed massacre - meanwhile, Iran released several videos showing foreign agitators distributing weapons, people attacking civilians etc.
- jandrewrogers 7mo ago> The US and Israel have been carpet bombing Iran No they haven't. The US started phasing out carpet bombing[0] half a century ago. You discredit yourself by making such trivially falsifiable assertions. The US and Israel use precision strikes. It is why the ratio of targets per sortie is by far the highest ever recorded in a major conflict. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpet_bombing
- GordonS 7mo agoLook at the videos coming out of Iran - civilian infrastructure and residences are clearly being targeted. Some unexploded bombs have been found that lack a JDAM guidance package. And regardless of the USA, Israel is most certainly not above carpet bombing civilians.
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- throwaw12 7mo ago> tens of thousands of their own citizens Any credible source for this? 1. Western media is not credible because West treats Iran as enemy 2. Iranian media is not credible because they obviously want to hide facts when they're negative Now my question is, why are you spreading unverifiable information as something credible and building your facts on top of it?
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> Any credible source for this? For tens of thousands? No. That’s the upper end of estimates. For the brutality? Yes. Wikipedia is a good start.
- throwaw12 7mo ago[flagged]
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> Then you can also fairly say they've killed billions of people No, you can’t. One, it exceeds Iran’s population. Two, no known method of estimation produces a reasonable guess at those levels. > there is no credible source in this scenario There are. There aren’t if you assume ex ante they don’t exist, or if you’re committed to ignoring them.
- throwaw12 7mo agoNo, you can, because you can say some of the killed people could be citizens of India, China and/or US, this way you already cover 2.5B people
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago> you can, because you can say some of the killed people could be citizens of India, China and/or US, this way you already cover 2.5B people No, there aren't 2.5 billion people Tehran has the ability to kill. The fact that you're having to be this ridiculous to make your argument should give pause to its validity. There are limits to knowability. But that doesn't mean everything is always unknowable. (Or, vice versa, that all scepticism is unwarranted.) Choosing to believe that is politically useful to anyone with power, which is why there is constantly propaganda to its effect. But it's not intellectually onest.
- verzali 7mo agoWe should have little sympathy for them, but ill thought out war will do nothing to improve things for those citizens. Far more likely the opposite.
- leereeves 7mo agoThis seems to be a fairly well thought out war that's already killed many Iranian leaders, including: Ayatollah Ali Khamenei – Supreme Leader Major General Abdolrahim Mousavi – Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces Major General Mohammad Pakpour – Commander-in-Chief of the IRGC Brigadier General Aziz Nasirzadeh – Minister of Defense Mohammad Shirazi – Head of Supreme Leader’s military office Ali Larijani – Senior national security chief Esmaeil Khatib – Minister of Intelligence Gholamreza Rezaian – Iranian police intelligence commander Gholamreza Soleimani – Basij paramilitary commander Saleh Asadi – Head of military intelligence at Khatam‑al Anbiya Has there been any other war in which one side so quickly killed the leadership of the other side?
- greggoB 7mo agoListing a kill count doesn't amount to evidence that the war has been well thought out, it only tells us the US and Israel are good at assassinations. It is clear the initial aim was to decapitate the leadership and expect capitulation of some form or another to follow. This obviously hasn't happened, and so the fallout grows by the day.
- cardanome 7mo agoMany of these leaders decided to not hide underground but to become martyrs. It is really not an accomplishment to murder someone in their own house when they have not been hiding. Khamenei was already very old. His security begged him to evacuate but he asked them if they can evacuate all Iranians. If they can't why should he get special treatment? He knew he could serve his country best by becoming a martyr. Meanwhile Israeli leader Netanyahu is so afraid to come out of his hole that people are wondering if he is still alive.
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- surgical_fire 7mo agoThe Iranian government is bad, and yes, it should be toppled, eventually, by its own people. This doesn't change the fact that Iran is the aggressed party in an invasion of an incredibly aggressive US-Israel axis that seem to revel in death. You can hate the Iranian murderous regime, and also understand that it is fighting against another evil, murderous regime.
- leereeves 7mo ago> The Iranian government is bad, and yes, it should be toppled, eventually, by its own people. You would prefer to tell people in Iran who oppose the regime to take up arms (which they don't have) and fight IRGC soldiers with better training and more resources? Best case, if they did, Iran would end up in a situation like Syria. Would that be an improvement? More likely, it would simply be a massacre.
- surgical_fire 7mo agoWhat I can tell you is that no matter how much I hate the government of my country, I would hate a lot more the foreign country that is destroying civilian infrastructure and murdering my people. Let's not pretend that the US and Israel regimes have the best interest of the Iranian people in mind. They want murder.
- leereeves 7mo agoI really can't say how this is being received in or out of Iran, but I remember after the initial strikes there was widespread footage of Iranian exiles celebrating, even on anti-Trump media. Edit: and even people celebrating in Iran itself, which seems incredibly brave. "videos posted on social media showed joy and defiance elsewhere, with people cheering as a statue was toppled in the city of Dehloran in Ilam province, dancing in the streets of Karaj city, near Tehran in Alborz province, and celebrating in the streets of Izeh in Khuzestan province. In the town of Galleh Dar in southern Iran, people knocked down a monument commemorating Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, who founded the Islamic Republic in 1979, a video on social media showed." https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/polarised-iran-khameneis-death-triggers-celebrations-grief-2026-03-01 https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/polarised-ira... Even The Guardian, as anti-Trump as a source can be, reported that "videos shared widely on social media also showed people celebrating, dancing, honking car horns and setting off fireworks as news of the leader’s death broke." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/01/celebration-or-grief-khameneis-death-brings-contrasting-emotions-in-iran https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/mar/01/celebration-or...
- iAMkenough 7mo agoYeah, but then again the United States has also killed protestors with federal invasions of its cities. As well as slaughtered children with a targeted missle strike on a school.
- abdelhousni 7mo agoThere are only two countries capable of killing civilians by the ten thousands and the world knows them. In fact they're currently bombing Iran and the region, one of them is currently perpetrating a genocide with approval of the day called civilized world. No cameras or international press covering the massacre of Gaza.
- cmilton 7mo agoThis is just completely false. There are multiple countries capable of killing their own by those numbers. All of them are equally disgusting, and should all be held accountable.
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- BenGosub 7mo agoThere have been hundreds of thousands of Palestinians brutally murdered by Israel, yet the US has not intervened in Israel yet.
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