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Isn't it over and China owns this market anyway? How can any other country possibly compete?
by fullshark 7mo ago
Isn't it over and China owns this market anyway? How can any other country possibly compete?
- breakyerself 7mo agoTarrifs mostly
- p-e-w 7mo agoThe same way Chinese tech companies “compete” with Western ones: By not permitting them to do business in China.
- yardie 7mo agoThey are permitted to do business there. You just have to make a bargain with the devil. 50% of your domestically incorporated branch is Chinese owned. Then you have the requisite technology and IP transfer. Most sensible companies would not accept such a bargain, but you have quite a few investors only interested in the next quarterly profit going up to the right. And they've made that bargain repeatedly.
- tpm 7mo agoOn long-term support and parts availability perhaps - I seriously doubt most of Chinese models bought now will have parts readily available in 5+ years. VW (and their other brands) and BMW have good new EVs coming to market now, while Toyota is waking up too. They will survive I think. Stellantis though, not sure about them. And many Chinese carmakers will be gone too.
- xp84 7mo agoIf Stellantis dies it won’t be because of insufficient EV zeal. It’ll be because they mostly make garbage cars no one wants. Saw this funny video about the top 10 cars with the most still-unsold inventory of their 2024(!) MY: https://youtu.be/R20QEyrQ2FE?si=cou6HgknYQOc8zbt https://youtu.be/R20QEyrQ2FE?si=cou6HgknYQOc8zbt
- DeathArrow 7mo agoMany of those models with unsold 2024 inventory are EVs.
- rsynnott 7mo agoStellantis, the company which owns all the brands which make you go “wait, they still exist?!” when you see one.
- hyperionultra 7mo agoBy limiting imports and offering alternatives in home. Also, the myths about reliability ads a lot.
- fullshark 7mo agoSo essentially western government intervention in the economy is the only way and every company is behaving rationally by retreating until the government steps in and makes the long term math make sense for them.
- hyperionultra 7mo agoCorrect. When billions of eur involved, nothing moves without support from gov.
- spankalee 7mo agoWestern governments should have been intervening like China does.
- tw-20260303-001 7mo agoWe have learned from China. And?
- fullshark 7mo agoThe implementation details of government intervention in the economy is critically important for success and I don’t really think there is consensus as to how it should be done. Seems like the major tariffs on Chinese EVs are mostly about buying time, but western manufacturers see the writing on the wall and are leaving the market. So now what?
- jen20 7mo agoLeaves a very large open question of whether China would be getting anywhere without Chinese government intervention...
- ceejayoz 7mo ago
- mikrotikker 7mo agoNo one wants or should want to allow multi tonne remote controllable surveillance machines that carry an incendiary payload as fuel to operate on their roads, let alone near important civilian or internal military infrastructure. All they have to do is hide some remotely activated punches inside the black box battery that can start off the chain reaction. Drive into a military base at full speed, activate the punch, and cause mass confusion, chaos and destruction. And then do that many times all at once, with helpless drivers stuck inside right before you invade an island nation you claim ownership of.