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I mean if you really think about it china already has or is on the verge of: - energy independence - ASML level microchip production - the SOTA of AI - citi
by himata4113 7mo ago
I mean if you really think about it china already has or is on the verge of:
- energy independence
- ASML level microchip production
- the SOTA of AI
- citizens that accept surveilence and lack of privacy
- strong local manufacturing
- eastern world support
- yuan recognized as a stable world currency
But they do suffer from issues as well:
- Aging population
- Autocracy (or well, one party system)
- Brain drain (better funding and security in the US and Europe, US has managed to alienate a lot of very promising figures so it's closer to just Europe, but capital markets in Europe are still hit and miss)
It's completely understandable why US is freaking out, china's future still looks a lot more promising than the one US find themselves in.
- est 7mo ago> citizens that accept surveilence and lack of privacy citizens had no choice.
- shaneos 7mo agoCitizens always have a choice. The cost can be terrible, but there’s always a choice
- raw_anon_1111 7mo agoWhat is that “choice”? Surely you aren’t like those yokels in the south that think a “militia” running in the woods can take on the the US military or even a decent SWAT force
- collingreen 7mo agoBeing willing to fight for what you think is right even though there is no hope of winning is a choice you can make without being a tacticool yokel that doesn't understand the tech gap between the people and their masters.
- raw_anon_1111 7mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_MOVE_bombing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege How much good did either do?
- llbbdd 7mo agoWinning remains the important part unless you think you're in a movie, though.
- fmbb 7mo agoNeither do US and European citizens. We seem to be accepting the same amount of surveillance and lack of privacy still.
- Johanx64 7mo agoYou're presuming that if they had a choice, they wouldn't accept it. The reality is that chinese goverment is - overall - delivering results. People will accept things that bring good outcomes. There's also upsides from the surveilence and the way things are done in China which makes it way more resilient from outside influence and disruptive bad actors. Now I don't want the same things in my country, but it suits China to some extent.
- pjc50 7mo agoChina still has capital controls, so the RMB cannot be a world currency when you can't freely move it in and out of China.
- himata4113 7mo agodoesn't change the fact that their next 'plan' will likely include expanding yuan influnce across the world.
- giwook 7mo ago> citizens that accept surveilence and lack of privacy It's certainly not to China's extent, but is America really that opposed to surveillance and lack of privacy? Yes, we tend to raise a huge stink when evidence of such comes to the surface. But actions speak louder than words, and through our actions we already largely accept surveillance and a lack of privacy. Everyday consumer apps are some of the worst offenders. Our social media apps listen to us, Amazon Ring doorbells are allegedly accessed by ICE (though Amazon denies it), Flock cameras abound (not to mention the fact they're poorly secured so who knows who else is watching other than the municipalities Flock contracts with), companies own much of our data and sell them to myriad unknown sources on a whim. There are too many examples to list. No, it's not as severe as China. But we're certainly not trending in the right direction.
- himata4113 7mo agoThe american government pretends to care, but the moment you look deeper (snowden leaks), it's clear that they don't. But the fact still stands, the population is mostly against surveilance while chinese just keep their head down.
- giwook 7mo agoThey have to keep their head down for fear it will get cut off (figuratively speaking, mostly). I doubt the majority of Chinese civilians are happy to be in a repressed state such as the one they're in. And unfortunately it's pretty clear the current administration is working hard to enact a similar chilling effect on free speech. It's hard to see how we avoid becoming a similarly surveilled and repressed state if there were a third term.
- himata4113 7mo agoI mean I didn't say it was a good thing. It's a benefit (to the government) that it is already widespread and accepted as part of life.
- lossolo 7mo ago> They have to keep their head down for fear it will get cut off (figuratively speaking, mostly). I doubt the majority of Chinese civilians are happy to be in a repressed state such as the one they're in. Around 100 million Chinese people travel abroad every year, and they all return to their country of their own free will. Go to China and see it for yourself. Talk with people, you would be surprised. Go to Shanghai and visit the provinces. This is not North Korea, you can talk with people normally. The majority of them will tell you that they are happy with how much their lives have improved over the last five decades. Every five years during those decades, life got better and better for most of them. And if you read about their history, you will see that this is their natural state. China has a long history of centralized, bureaucratic governance (more than 2,000 years since the Qin Dynasty) in which stability and order are prioritized over political pluralism.
- duskdozer 7mo agoHow much more surveillance and lack of privacy is there than the US? The US also has - surveilled cities and less dense places through doorbell cams - surveilled digital communications - social credit scores (try getting a bank account if you've opted out of things like lexisnexis etc)
- HWR_14 7mo agoWhat does lexisnexis do you can opt out of?