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This behavior makes sense for Zelensky, who is strongly pro-Israel, but I don’t think this is in Ukraine’s best interest. I really hate how many people have die

by octopoc 7mo ago

This behavior makes sense for Zelensky, who is strongly pro-Israel, but I don’t think this is in Ukraine’s best interest. I really hate how many people have died in the Russia-Ukraine war and this will only serve to lengthen it. Imagine getting drafted to go fight Iran.

NetMageSCW 7mo ago
Your comment seems unrelated to the article?
- genxy 7mo ago
  That Ukraine is taking frontline needed anti-drone resources to protect 3rd parties in a war it is not involved in? What part of their comment seems unrelated?
  - petre 7mo ago
    It got involved because it was Iran who supplied Shahed drones to Russia and Russia in turn supplies upgraded drones and other weapons to Iran. Pressure on Iran means to pressure on Russia and the reverse is also true. https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2033982485583818789 https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2033982485583818789
  - Sabinus 7mo ago
    Ukraine has unutilised domestic production capacity. They can turn the good money the Gulf states will be paying for the drones into more drones for the frontlines.
    - genxy 7mo ago
      It is the 430 people that could be defending Ukraine.
      - djhn 7mo ago
        When people say ”time is money”, there is usually an amount of money that makes you go ”… but then again a lot of money is also money” and give up some time in exchange for that money. Wartime resources are similar, in the sense that they’re at least partially fungible. Maybe the amount of money the Gulf states are willing to pay for borrowing those people buys you a lot of the other stuff.
warmonger 7mo ago
Yeah, pretty sad situation especially if you have some empathy for those who don't want to fight but got tricked by their governments. Imagine you're 18 again and you have your plans to study in University, but instead the government which should serve the people (ha) sends you to die for a piece of land and to keep their leader positions. In the end those wars are just a power and influence games for the ruling class. Sometimes I think if the world would be better if instead of ~200 counties we had only ~10? But how to unite counties? People can agree to unite, but no one from the ruling class will agree to lose the power. So we are back to the war theme, because the war is the easiest way to unite pieces of land, but how to unite people? No idea, but... but we can find a new common enemy!
- djhn 7mo ago
  Ukraine draft age limit is now 25. It was lowered from 27 in 2024. If you are young and heading to university, you’re safe (for now). Even if the age limit is lowered, it will likely apply to NEETs first.
  - warmonger 7mo ago
    Good to know, but my comment is not about Ukraine or any other country in particular
- mindslight 7mo ago
  > Imagine you're 18 again and you have your plans to study in University, but instead the government which should serve the people (ha) sends you to die for a piece of land and to keep their leader positions Your simplistic narrative doesn't capture the reality of the situation, at all. The people of Ukraine weren't given a choice of whether to be at war or not, doubly so for people in the eastern part of the country. And it's not just about who is the "leader", but rather staring down a known pattern of atrocities and long-term economic oppression. So attributing the responsibility of who ruined those plans to "the government" is just fallacious. Your pragmatic personal decision might still be to run, and I wouldn't be arguing against that. But extrapolating that personal decision out to a general condemnation of other reactions to being attacked is disingenuous and reeks of the demoralizing propaganda put out by Russia.
IshKebab 7mo ago
Uhm, did you miss this bit? > Zelenskiy has said Kyiv wanted money and technology in return for its help in the Middle East

by octopoc 7mo ago

NetMageSCW 7mo ago

Your comment seems unrelated to the article?

genxy 7mo ago
That Ukraine is taking frontline needed anti-drone resources to protect 3rd parties in a war it is not involved in? What part of their comment seems unrelated?
- petre 7mo ago
  It got involved because it was Iran who supplied Shahed drones to Russia and Russia in turn supplies upgraded drones and other weapons to Iran. Pressure on Iran means to pressure on Russia and the reverse is also true. https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2033982485583818789 https://x.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2033982485583818789
- Sabinus 7mo ago
  Ukraine has unutilised domestic production capacity. They can turn the good money the Gulf states will be paying for the drones into more drones for the frontlines.
  - genxy 7mo ago
    It is the 430 people that could be defending Ukraine.
    - djhn 7mo ago
      When people say ”time is money”, there is usually an amount of money that makes you go ”… but then again a lot of money is also money” and give up some time in exchange for that money. Wartime resources are similar, in the sense that they’re at least partially fungible. Maybe the amount of money the Gulf states are willing to pay for borrowing those people buys you a lot of the other stuff.

warmonger 7mo ago

Yeah, pretty sad situation especially if you have some empathy for those who don't want to fight but got tricked by their governments. Imagine you're 18 again and you have your plans to study in University, but instead the government which should serve the people (ha) sends you to die for a piece of land and to keep their leader positions. In the end those wars are just a power and influence games for the ruling class. Sometimes I think if the world would be better if instead of ~200 counties we had only ~10? But how to unite counties? People can agree to unite, but no one from the ruling class will agree to lose the power. So we are back to the war theme, because the war is the easiest way to unite pieces of land, but how to unite people? No idea, but... but we can find a new common enemy!

djhn 7mo ago
Ukraine draft age limit is now 25. It was lowered from 27 in 2024. If you are young and heading to university, you’re safe (for now). Even if the age limit is lowered, it will likely apply to NEETs first.
- warmonger 7mo ago
  Good to know, but my comment is not about Ukraine or any other country in particular
mindslight 7mo ago
> Imagine you're 18 again and you have your plans to study in University, but instead the government which should serve the people (ha) sends you to die for a piece of land and to keep their leader positions Your simplistic narrative doesn't capture the reality of the situation, at all. The people of Ukraine weren't given a choice of whether to be at war or not, doubly so for people in the eastern part of the country. And it's not just about who is the "leader", but rather staring down a known pattern of atrocities and long-term economic oppression. So attributing the responsibility of who ruined those plans to "the government" is just fallacious. Your pragmatic personal decision might still be to run, and I wouldn't be arguing against that. But extrapolating that personal decision out to a general condemnation of other reactions to being attacked is disingenuous and reeks of the demoralizing propaganda put out by Russia.

IshKebab 7mo ago

Uhm, did you miss this bit? > Zelenskiy has said Kyiv wanted money and technology in return for its help in the Middle East