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It's pretty hard to hide it from anything. Its surface is ~17000 m² (a tennis court is ~260 m²), and is 75 m high (~ 25 floors building - probably half of it un
by astrobe_ 7mo ago
It's pretty hard to hide it from anything. Its surface is ~17000 m² (a tennis court is ~260 m²), and is 75 m high (~ 25 floors building - probably half of it under water, but still). And that's a mid-sized carrier according to Wikipedia.
It's not built for hiding at all, that's what submarines are for (and that's where our nukes are).
- cosmicgadget 7mo agoWell clearly since the De Gaulle is using a fitness app it's working on it.
- chistev 7mo agoBut the ocean is very very huge to find it still.
- paxys 7mo agoYou don't have to search the entire planet. A carrier's general location is always semi-public. There are websites dedicated to tracking them, just like jets. And carriers roll with an entire strike group of 8-10 ships and 5-10K personnel, which are together impossible to miss. A carrier strike group isn't meant to be stealthy. Quite the opposite. It is the ultimate tool for power projection and making a statement. If it is moving to a new region it will do so with horns blaring. Obviously troops shouldn't be broadcasting their location regardless, but this particular leak isn't as impactful as the news is making it out to be.
- justsomehnguy 7mo agoAnd American carriers never operate alone, it's a whole Carrier Battle Group there.
- cwillu 7mo agoThe battle group doesn't cruise around in formation, for specifically this reason.
- justsomehnguy 7mo agoAh, yes, Ticonderogas should be so far from the carrier so they couldn't even protect it, despite protecting their carrier is their main duty. Makes sense.
- cwillu 7mo agoIs that what I said?
- justsomehnguy 7mo agoYou must chose between being pedantic or having a common sense.
- torginus 7mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOSUS Am I supposed to believe we live in a world where this exists, yet carriers are impossible to find and track on the sea? Besides, modern fighter jets have radars with 400km detection ranges against fighter sized targets. A dozen of them or more specialized sensor aircraft could cover entire conflict zones.
- robotresearcher 7mo agoOf course it's possible to find a giant ship. The interesting parts are that this vector is crazy cheap using public APIs, and the irony of the location source being the voluntary-or-ignorant active telemetry from a US service person. It's possible to go to the moon, launch ICBMs, and make fusion bombs. It's news when something possible gets cheap and easy. It's also newsworthy when one of the most powerful and expensive weapon platforms in history doesn't have its infosec buttoned down.
- Legend2440 7mo ago>It's also newsworthy when one of the most powerful and expensive weapon platforms in history doesn't have its infosec buttoned down. Well, peace makes you sloppy. No one is at war with France right now, and no one is realistically going to attack this ship. If we were fighting WW3, you can bet sailors wouldn't be allowed to carry personal cellphones at all. Back in WW2, even soldier's letters back home had to be approved by the censors.
- astrobe_ 7mo agoInteresting point. On one hand they probably don't care if everyone knows where the carrier is (actually I'm pretty sure every military power knows where the other powers' military is), on the other hand from a "good practices" perspective, it doesn't look good. Would it just be virtue signaling, or is there more to it?
- moffkalast 7mo agoIf they were trying to hide it, the top would probably be painted blue.