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Yeah, I found this strange as well, if the tech is so amazing why do developers need to be forced to use it?

by jimmyjazz14 6mo ago

dash2 6mo ago
Maybe there's a positive externality: your individual learning percolates to others and benefits the firm as a whole.
- whoknowsidont 6mo ago
  What is there to learn? If anything developers are still the one's training and enhancing the models by giving them more feedback cycles and what works and what doesn't.
debatem1 6mo ago
I'm encouraging my folks to try it pretty hard because A) I've personally seen the productivity gains and B) using it is at first deeply weird/uncomfortable. Sometimes you've got to convince people to push through that kind of thing.
- toomuchtodo 6mo ago
  How you objectively measuring success? 93% of Developers Use AI Coding Tools. Productivity Hasn't Moved. - https://philippdubach.com/posts/93-of-developers-use-ai-coding-tools.-productivity-hasnt-moved./ https://philippdubach.com/posts/93-of-developers-use-ai-codi... - March 4th, 2026
  - nightski 6mo ago
    They measured 16 developers and called it a "study"? That is amusing. Not to mention it was conducted almost a year ago, the tools have already changed dramatically.
    - tehjoker 6mo ago
      So just run a new study this year. I do think the tools have improved, but it should show up empirically. The only people for whom the urgency of "right now" is present is for the C-suite and investor class who are fighting to make sure they survive, but it might also be a crisis of their own making. Don't confuse your identity as a worker with the identity of the capitalist class.
      - jmalicki 6mo ago
        You should be able to just develop software on your cellphone, right? Do you have an empirical study to support that your employer should buy you a laptop and possibly a monitor or two to help your productivity? If there's no study, why should we believe it? It's like "A study found that parachutes were no more effective than empty backpacks at protecting jumpers from aircraft." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/12/22/679083038/researchers-show-parachutes-dont-work-but-there-s-a-catch https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/12/22/6790830...
        SpicyLemonZest 6mo ago
        I think my employer should buy me a laptop and possibly a monitor or two to help my productivity because I subjectively feel they'd be helpful, and I have the market power to insist on tools that I subjectively feel are helpful. If my CEO announced that monitors are super important and everyone will be tracked on monitor space usage going forwards, I would still want to see evidence that this is going to accomplish something.
        jmalicki 6mo ago
        Your CEO likewise subjectively feels all of their employees using AI will be helpful, and has the market power to insist that their employees use them. When engineers demand evidence that AI is productive, but not that having laptops and monitors are productive, it screams confirmation bias. "I'm right, you're wrong" as a default prior.

Yeah, I found this strange as well, if the tech is so amazing why do developers need to be forced to use it?

dash2 6mo ago

Maybe there's a positive externality: your individual learning percolates to others and benefits the firm as a whole.

whoknowsidont 6mo ago
What is there to learn? If anything developers are still the one's training and enhancing the models by giving them more feedback cycles and what works and what doesn't.

debatem1 6mo ago

I'm encouraging my folks to try it pretty hard because A) I've personally seen the productivity gains and B) using it is at first deeply weird/uncomfortable. Sometimes you've got to convince people to push through that kind of thing.

toomuchtodo 6mo ago
How you objectively measuring success? 93% of Developers Use AI Coding Tools. Productivity Hasn't Moved. - https://philippdubach.com/posts/93-of-developers-use-ai-coding-tools.-productivity-hasnt-moved./ https://philippdubach.com/posts/93-of-developers-use-ai-codi... - March 4th, 2026
- nightski 6mo ago
  They measured 16 developers and called it a "study"? That is amusing. Not to mention it was conducted almost a year ago, the tools have already changed dramatically.
  - tehjoker 6mo ago
    So just run a new study this year. I do think the tools have improved, but it should show up empirically. The only people for whom the urgency of "right now" is present is for the C-suite and investor class who are fighting to make sure they survive, but it might also be a crisis of their own making. Don't confuse your identity as a worker with the identity of the capitalist class.
    - jmalicki 6mo ago
      You should be able to just develop software on your cellphone, right? Do you have an empirical study to support that your employer should buy you a laptop and possibly a monitor or two to help your productivity? If there's no study, why should we believe it? It's like "A study found that parachutes were no more effective than empty backpacks at protecting jumpers from aircraft." https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/12/22/679083038/researchers-show-parachutes-dont-work-but-there-s-a-catch https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/12/22/6790830...
      - SpicyLemonZest 6mo ago
        I think my employer should buy me a laptop and possibly a monitor or two to help my productivity because I subjectively feel they'd be helpful, and I have the market power to insist on tools that I subjectively feel are helpful. If my CEO announced that monitors are super important and everyone will be tracked on monitor space usage going forwards, I would still want to see evidence that this is going to accomplish something.
        jmalicki 6mo ago
        Your CEO likewise subjectively feels all of their employees using AI will be helpful, and has the market power to insist that their employees use them. When engineers demand evidence that AI is productive, but not that having laptops and monitors are productive, it screams confirmation bias. "I'm right, you're wrong" as a default prior.