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And to add to this, proprietary OSs are about to get worse and can blame the politicians for it. With these new age laws, these systems can legally ask for per

by jmclnx 7mo ago

And to add to this, proprietary OSs are about to get worse and can blame the politicians for it. With these new age laws, these systems can legally ask for personal information, and I am sure as time goes, information required will expand. As for Linux, seems systemd is all in on this, as for the BSDs, I doubt they will enforce these new laws.

surgical_fire 7mo ago
You can lie when it requests for personal information. I always identify myself as "Conan, The Barbarian" when creating account.
- jmclnx 7mo ago
  of cource you can, but in the future ? Maybe you will be required to upload an ID.
  - josefritzishere 7mo ago
    Is it too optimistic to hope that sanity will prevail and users will get treated with respect?
    - deleted 7mo ago
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- gostsamo 7mo ago
  why I should be the one bothering with that though? and what happens when it starts requiring internet connection and biometric age verification?
  - intrasight 7mo ago
    In a couple years you won't have to bother with that. The device will connect to the ID chip embedded in your body when you're born. And this will be a one-time hard-wired coupling for that device when it is first turned on.
  - surgical_fire 7mo ago
    Are you claiming Linux is becoming always online? That's one hell of a claim.
    - gostsamo 7mo ago
      if it is governmently mandated that it is, it might become, at least the user facing distros.
      - surgical_fire 7mo ago
        The nature of Linux makes this pretty much impossible. Say Ubuntu ships with some package for identity validation bullshit. What stops anyone from repackaging it and offering it without those packages?
        tsoukase 7mo ago
        They might force the Linux kernel to add a value 'age' to the couple username/password. Although in Europe OSS is exempt from age verification obligation.
        saltcured 7mo ago
        A bit of a tangent, but your worst case answer here is the culmination of all the secure boot and remote attestation concepts. What would stop it is a combination of not being able to buy new hardware that will even boot the modified kernel, and not being able to get vintage hardware to connect to any public ISP etc. due to being unable to attest its validated boot chain information, signed by a required modern hardware OEM key. So you would be stuck in some kind of underworld of vintage folks attempting mesh networking between themselves. Then, because of basic market forces/economics, there will be a dwindling amount of software that is able to run in such environments. It will become the esoteric realm of old-school hobbyists who don't need to run any commercial apps which require ABI/API features of the modern commercial OSs which require this boot chain of the modern commercial hardware, etc.
        laughing_man 7mo ago

by jmclnx 7mo ago

surgical_fire 7mo ago

You can lie when it requests for personal information. I always identify myself as "Conan, The Barbarian" when creating account.

jmclnx 7mo ago
of cource you can, but in the future ? Maybe you will be required to upload an ID.
- josefritzishere 7mo ago
  Is it too optimistic to hope that sanity will prevail and users will get treated with respect?
  - deleted 7mo ago
    [deleted]
gostsamo 7mo ago
why I should be the one bothering with that though? and what happens when it starts requiring internet connection and biometric age verification?
- intrasight 7mo ago
  In a couple years you won't have to bother with that. The device will connect to the ID chip embedded in your body when you're born. And this will be a one-time hard-wired coupling for that device when it is first turned on.
- surgical_fire 7mo ago
  Are you claiming Linux is becoming always online? That's one hell of a claim.
  - gostsamo 7mo ago
    if it is governmently mandated that it is, it might become, at least the user facing distros.
    - surgical_fire 7mo ago
      The nature of Linux makes this pretty much impossible. Say Ubuntu ships with some package for identity validation bullshit. What stops anyone from repackaging it and offering it without those packages?
      - tsoukase 7mo ago
        They might force the Linux kernel to add a value 'age' to the couple username/password. Although in Europe OSS is exempt from age verification obligation.
      - saltcured 7mo ago
        A bit of a tangent, but your worst case answer here is the culmination of all the secure boot and remote attestation concepts. What would stop it is a combination of not being able to buy new hardware that will even boot the modified kernel, and not being able to get vintage hardware to connect to any public ISP etc. due to being unable to attest its validated boot chain information, signed by a required modern hardware OEM key. So you would be stuck in some kind of underworld of vintage folks attempting mesh networking between themselves. Then, because of basic market forces/economics, there will be a dwindling amount of software that is able to run in such environments. It will become the esoteric realm of old-school hobbyists who don't need to run any commercial apps which require ABI/API features of the modern commercial OSs which require this boot chain of the modern commercial hardware, etc.
      - laughing_man 7mo ago