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It is way past time to build a 'people's phone', funding it through a platform like LiberaPay [1][2] or Open Collective [3][4], with a requirement for the devic

It is way past time to build a 'people's phone', funding it through a platform like LiberaPay [1][2] or Open Collective [3][4], with a requirement for the device to be completely open-source. [1] https://liberapay.com/ https://liberapay.com/ [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberapay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberapay [3] https://opencollective.com/ https://opencollective.com/ [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Collective https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Collective If we start today, we could have a new phone in 2-3 years. Future generations will thank us. It's not just phones. There is a concerted movement by massively-moneyed folks to destroy the fabric of open society, so there are a number of different areas that need attention. A coordinated effort across the breadth of society to restore, maintain or improve the foundations of open society.

Anonyneko 7mo ago
Open phones are all fine and well, but good luck convincing banking and government applications to work on those (especially in countries where bank login is used to access government services).
- ninjagoo 7mo ago
  > Open phones are all fine and well, but good luck convincing banking and government applications to work on those (especially in countries where bank login is used to access government services). First phones, then lobbying. As citizens of an open society, government exists to serve us, not the other way around. With enough users, they will have to respond. As I said, there are a number of areas that need attention and a coordinated effort across the breadth of society to restore, maintain and improve the foundations of an open society.
  - Psype 7mo ago
    it also makes it urgent to have a platform with leverage under 3-5 years, with a whole lot of countries pushing for digital ID globally.
    - verisimi 7mo ago
      It's almost as if there is a global plan to deanonymise everyone online, and for governments and corporations to have total awareness and control of everyone's actions.
      - mc32 7mo ago
        This has been going on in full force since the GWB admin in response and using the excuse of the terroristic attacks. They called it total information awareness. They pretended to bury it. All they did was hide their intentions from the public. They even spied on Congress and they spied on presidential candidates. If they had no decorum for those folks imagine what they are willing to do to collect information on the public.
      - mastermage 7mo ago
        this should realy be one of those accross the aisles things. Well it kinda is, across both sides of the political spectrum there is for some fucking reason a huge support for this. I am so pissed.
        titzer 7mo ago
        > for some fucking reason It's what the oligarchy wants. The reason is that it's always whatever the oligarchy wants.
        mastermage 7mo ago
        you know what I am slowly starting to feel the conspiracy theorists, just its not wack child eating lizardman but Super Rich people wanting back a Feudalist Society.
  - fooqux 7mo ago
    > As citizens of an open society, government exists to serve us, not the other way around. I really wish this was true. It should be true. It used to be true. But I don't think it is now. > With enough users, they will have to respond. Well, yeah. But even if we had millions of people lined up (which we don't) it still wouldn't be enough to force a positive response. Frankly there's too much money wrapped up in this now. Because of that, open computing will always be under attack. I hate coming off as so defeatist, but what we need is a culture change, and a new device which is (from the perspective of the 99%) worse and more expensive than Android isn't going to get us that.
- iamnothere 7mo ago
  Carry an old used iPhone, powered off with no SIM, and treat it as a black box hardware token that you turn on only for these uses. You can tether it via wifi through your “real” freedom phone.
  - bitwize 7mo ago
    Your freedom phone will not be on your carrier's device allowlist.
    - iamnothere 7mo ago
      My MVNO has no allowlist.
    - chainingsolid 7mo ago
      I've used a Pinephone on 2 diffrent carriers for at least months each already.
- twelvedogs 7mo ago
  convince people to use them and banks can suck it up
- stopbulying 7mo ago
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- stopbulying 7mo ago
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- mastermage 7mo ago
  there is a power that could help with this. And I know quite a few people do not like this. But this would be prime EU real estate.
- megous 7mo ago
  In my country, government applications are required to be interoperable, use open APIs and work with open formats (XML, PDF, etc.). There should be no problem there. I've already used some FOSS applications to interact with government services. Banks are required to interoperate using open API in the EU. EU managed to cripple this requirement, by not requiring open api access to regular customers, but only to accredited organizations. There's more work to be done on this front.
- dietr1ch 7mo ago
  A single manufacturer convinced a lot of them to work with Apple phones. It's definitely doable, but the product has to be appealing to users, which also seems doable as phones already peaked in capability and making a good phone now is more about polish in build + software than being technologically ahead of the competition. I consider my 2yo mid-range phone a great phone, and with today's politics owning my phone is in the top-3 things I'd like my next phone to improve on, not a better camera, screen, battery, slimmer build nor gimmicky stuff (ok, maybe an IR to replace remotes or LoRa support would be kind of cool)
groundzeros2015 7mo ago
Can you explain what open society means?
- OrangeMusic 7mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_society
  - ninjagoo 7mo ago
    Thank you. Much better info at your link.
- ninjagoo 7mo ago
  > Can you explain what open society means? An open society is a society where people can freely express ideas, question authority, practice different beliefs, and participate in public life under the protection of laws and individual rights. It is usually marked by free speech, rule of law, pluralism, relatively open debate, and institutions that allow peaceful change.
YetAnotherNick 7mo ago
I think you are 2-4 orders of magnitude off if you think donation could be enough for a project as important as Android where 1 day delay in fixing security issue is just disasterous.
- tcfhgj 7mo ago
  > where 1 day delay in fixing security issue is just disasterous. looking at the current reality of patches is that you are lucky if there is a patch next month
1970-01-01 7mo ago
So we don't even have a 'people's battery' to power up this phone. All these phone pouch batteries are proprietary in design. Go ask Framework for their BMS design details and provide links to it if you think I'm joking

Anonyneko 7mo ago

Open phones are all fine and well, but good luck convincing banking and government applications to work on those (especially in countries where bank login is used to access government services).

ninjagoo 7mo ago
> Open phones are all fine and well, but good luck convincing banking and government applications to work on those (especially in countries where bank login is used to access government services). First phones, then lobbying. As citizens of an open society, government exists to serve us, not the other way around. With enough users, they will have to respond. As I said, there are a number of areas that need attention and a coordinated effort across the breadth of society to restore, maintain and improve the foundations of an open society.
- Psype 7mo ago
  it also makes it urgent to have a platform with leverage under 3-5 years, with a whole lot of countries pushing for digital ID globally.
  - verisimi 7mo ago
    It's almost as if there is a global plan to deanonymise everyone online, and for governments and corporations to have total awareness and control of everyone's actions.
    - mc32 7mo ago
      This has been going on in full force since the GWB admin in response and using the excuse of the terroristic attacks. They called it total information awareness. They pretended to bury it. All they did was hide their intentions from the public. They even spied on Congress and they spied on presidential candidates. If they had no decorum for those folks imagine what they are willing to do to collect information on the public.
    - mastermage 7mo ago
      this should realy be one of those accross the aisles things. Well it kinda is, across both sides of the political spectrum there is for some fucking reason a huge support for this. I am so pissed.
      - titzer 7mo ago
        > for some fucking reason It's what the oligarchy wants. The reason is that it's always whatever the oligarchy wants.
        mastermage 7mo ago
        you know what I am slowly starting to feel the conspiracy theorists, just its not wack child eating lizardman but Super Rich people wanting back a Feudalist Society.
- fooqux 7mo ago
  > As citizens of an open society, government exists to serve us, not the other way around. I really wish this was true. It should be true. It used to be true. But I don't think it is now. > With enough users, they will have to respond. Well, yeah. But even if we had millions of people lined up (which we don't) it still wouldn't be enough to force a positive response. Frankly there's too much money wrapped up in this now. Because of that, open computing will always be under attack. I hate coming off as so defeatist, but what we need is a culture change, and a new device which is (from the perspective of the 99%) worse and more expensive than Android isn't going to get us that.
iamnothere 7mo ago
Carry an old used iPhone, powered off with no SIM, and treat it as a black box hardware token that you turn on only for these uses. You can tether it via wifi through your “real” freedom phone.
- bitwize 7mo ago
  Your freedom phone will not be on your carrier's device allowlist.
  - iamnothere 7mo ago
    My MVNO has no allowlist.
  - chainingsolid 7mo ago
    I've used a Pinephone on 2 diffrent carriers for at least months each already.
twelvedogs 7mo ago
convince people to use them and banks can suck it up
stopbulying 7mo ago
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stopbulying 7mo ago
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mastermage 7mo ago
there is a power that could help with this. And I know quite a few people do not like this. But this would be prime EU real estate.
megous 7mo ago
In my country, government applications are required to be interoperable, use open APIs and work with open formats (XML, PDF, etc.). There should be no problem there. I've already used some FOSS applications to interact with government services. Banks are required to interoperate using open API in the EU. EU managed to cripple this requirement, by not requiring open api access to regular customers, but only to accredited organizations. There's more work to be done on this front.
dietr1ch 7mo ago
A single manufacturer convinced a lot of them to work with Apple phones. It's definitely doable, but the product has to be appealing to users, which also seems doable as phones already peaked in capability and making a good phone now is more about polish in build + software than being technologically ahead of the competition. I consider my 2yo mid-range phone a great phone, and with today's politics owning my phone is in the top-3 things I'd like my next phone to improve on, not a better camera, screen, battery, slimmer build nor gimmicky stuff (ok, maybe an IR to replace remotes or LoRa support would be kind of cool)

groundzeros2015 7mo ago

Can you explain what open society means?

OrangeMusic 7mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_society https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_society
- ninjagoo 7mo ago
  Thank you. Much better info at your link.
ninjagoo 7mo ago
> Can you explain what open society means? An open society is a society where people can freely express ideas, question authority, practice different beliefs, and participate in public life under the protection of laws and individual rights. It is usually marked by free speech, rule of law, pluralism, relatively open debate, and institutions that allow peaceful change.

YetAnotherNick 7mo ago

I think you are 2-4 orders of magnitude off if you think donation could be enough for a project as important as Android where 1 day delay in fixing security issue is just disasterous.

tcfhgj 7mo ago
> where 1 day delay in fixing security issue is just disasterous. looking at the current reality of patches is that you are lucky if there is a patch next month

1970-01-01 7mo ago

So we don't even have a 'people's battery' to power up this phone. All these phone pouch batteries are proprietary in design. Go ask Framework for their BMS design details and provide links to it if you think I'm joking