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Did it work out better for North Korea or Iran?

by harry8 7mo ago

matheusmoreira 7mo ago
North Korea is still standing and even got Trump to play diplomacy. Only reason Iran got attacked is the fact they didn't have nukes yet. Venezuela showed everyone what happens when you're a toothless country. USA shows up at your door uninvited, fucks your shit up, takes your oil and kidnaps your president for good measure, just to tack on some extra humiliation. Don't get me wrong, Maduro deserved an even worse fate than what he got. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. It's still a cautionary tale for nations worldwide. It can happen to you. China continues to erode the economic power of the USA. They could very well discover one day that their military might is all they have left. Who's to say they won't suddenly decide to capitalize on their advantage before it evaporates?
- kelvinjps10 7mo ago
  As Venezuelan nothing angers me more than someone naming Maduro as our president, and that in some way I should feel bad about it. The guy and his government were pure evil.
  - matheusmoreira 7mo ago
    You guys should have been the ones to personally get your hands on him. Hope you're doing alright now. Situation is far from perfect but at least one tyrant is gone.
    - kelvinjps10 7mo ago
      We have tried so many times, and tbh if Venezuelans were the ones doing it this time so many civilians would have died. Because the military people that can do something about it, are so comfortable with all the stuff they have.
  - DeathArrow 7mo ago
    Yes Maduro and his cronies are pure evil. But it's not another country business to intervene, kidnap or assassinate leaders.
    - Muromec 7mo ago
      It should be UNSC acting on the arrest warrant from Den Haag sending the president snatchers, but that version of world police didn’t live up to expectations, so back to big shaitan ut goes
  - nslsm 7mo ago
    Every country has the president they deserve. You had Maduro because you didn’t oppose him.
  - Hikikomori 7mo ago
    IF he had played ball with the US they would have left him in charge no matter what he did to the population.
  - andrewflnr 7mo ago
    No one should feel bad for Maduro, but the reasons Maduro was evil had very little to do with the actual reasons the US grabbed him. Trump's motives were pure greed, and that's a terrifying reason for kidnapping a foreign head of state. And at least as far as I've seen, it didn't even help. Literally every other part of his regime is still in place isn't it?
- DivingForGold 7mo ago
  Nicaragua and Cuba next
- 21asdffdsa12 7mo ago
  Iran would be attacked even with nukes. If you promise relentless war- and nuclear attacks via proxxies - you basically show that game-theory does not apply to you. Religion explicitly states that MAD does not apply to them too. And they life by that. So Iran with nukes, would be nuked 1 day after. No matter the cost. Its similar to the a medieval pope having nukes, and everyone else being heretic witches. You just pick the size of the stake you burn on at that point. What the west wishes the world to be and how they think everyone does see the world, does simply not apply. No matter how Nash pure. The All defector defects in all games..
  - Hikikomori 7mo ago
    This US regime isn't any different than the ayatollah, they also want christian sharia laws and to oppress women.
    - 21asdffdsa12 7mo ago
      I wish you had traveled the world and would have seen whats really on the ground, instead of staying in your bubble and earlying out with a "everyone is just like me". The us is the most harmless empire that ever was. The most extreme case in the us evangelical bullshit is a daily buisness case.
      - Hikikomori 7mo ago
        How it currently is and what the people currently in power wants can be different things right?
      - cthalupa 7mo ago
        Literal neo-nazis have existed within the administration at relatively high levels (and likely still do, though they've gotten better about not outright bragging about it like some of those dipshits). People at even higher levels talk about conversations with literal neo-nazis, how they listen to their podcasts, etc. I'm not using this in the "I think everyone that has even remotely fascist tendencies is a neo-nazi" manner, I am using it in the "No these people are literally self described neo-nazis" manner. The reality of the USA post WW2 is one that is full of plenty of shame. It still might be the most harmless empire there ever was, but that's a relative statement - the US has done * a lot* of harm. Perhaps a lot of good, too. Maybe even more good than harm. But almost all of that harm was unnecessary. But the past is not the future, and the present shows us marching to a darker and darker future. Better to raise the alarm now and stop that descent rather than letting it continue.

Did it work out better for North Korea or Iran?

by harry8 7mo ago

Did it work out better for North Korea or Iran?

North Korea is still standing and even got Trump to play diplomacy. Only reason Iran got attacked is the fact they didn't have nukes yet. Venezuela showed everyone what happens when you're a toothless country. USA shows up at your door uninvited, fucks your shit up, takes your oil and kidnaps your president for good measure, just to tack on some extra humiliation. Don't get me wrong, Maduro deserved an even worse fate than what he got. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. It's still a cautionary tale for nations worldwide. It can happen to you. China continues to erode the economic power of the USA. They could very well discover one day that their military might is all they have left. Who's to say they won't suddenly decide to capitalize on their advantage before it evaporates?

kelvinjps10 7mo ago
As Venezuelan nothing angers me more than someone naming Maduro as our president, and that in some way I should feel bad about it. The guy and his government were pure evil.
- matheusmoreira 7mo ago
  You guys should have been the ones to personally get your hands on him. Hope you're doing alright now. Situation is far from perfect but at least one tyrant is gone.
  - kelvinjps10 7mo ago
    We have tried so many times, and tbh if Venezuelans were the ones doing it this time so many civilians would have died. Because the military people that can do something about it, are so comfortable with all the stuff they have.
- DeathArrow 7mo ago
  Yes Maduro and his cronies are pure evil. But it's not another country business to intervene, kidnap or assassinate leaders.
  - Muromec 7mo ago
    It should be UNSC acting on the arrest warrant from Den Haag sending the president snatchers, but that version of world police didn’t live up to expectations, so back to big shaitan ut goes
- nslsm 7mo ago
  Every country has the president they deserve. You had Maduro because you didn’t oppose him.
- Hikikomori 7mo ago
  IF he had played ball with the US they would have left him in charge no matter what he did to the population.
- andrewflnr 7mo ago
  No one should feel bad for Maduro, but the reasons Maduro was evil had very little to do with the actual reasons the US grabbed him. Trump's motives were pure greed, and that's a terrifying reason for kidnapping a foreign head of state. And at least as far as I've seen, it didn't even help. Literally every other part of his regime is still in place isn't it?
DivingForGold 7mo ago
Nicaragua and Cuba next
21asdffdsa12 7mo ago
Iran would be attacked even with nukes. If you promise relentless war- and nuclear attacks via proxxies - you basically show that game-theory does not apply to you. Religion explicitly states that MAD does not apply to them too. And they life by that. So Iran with nukes, would be nuked 1 day after. No matter the cost. Its similar to the a medieval pope having nukes, and everyone else being heretic witches. You just pick the size of the stake you burn on at that point. What the west wishes the world to be and how they think everyone does see the world, does simply not apply. No matter how Nash pure. The All defector defects in all games..
- Hikikomori 7mo ago
  This US regime isn't any different than the ayatollah, they also want christian sharia laws and to oppress women.
  - 21asdffdsa12 7mo ago
    I wish you had traveled the world and would have seen whats really on the ground, instead of staying in your bubble and earlying out with a "everyone is just like me". The us is the most harmless empire that ever was. The most extreme case in the us evangelical bullshit is a daily buisness case.
    - Hikikomori 7mo ago
      How it currently is and what the people currently in power wants can be different things right?
    - cthalupa 7mo ago
      Literal neo-nazis have existed within the administration at relatively high levels (and likely still do, though they've gotten better about not outright bragging about it like some of those dipshits). People at even higher levels talk about conversations with literal neo-nazis, how they listen to their podcasts, etc. I'm not using this in the "I think everyone that has even remotely fascist tendencies is a neo-nazi" manner, I am using it in the "No these people are literally self described neo-nazis" manner. The reality of the USA post WW2 is one that is full of plenty of shame. It still might be the most harmless empire there ever was, but that's a relative statement - the US has done * a lot* of harm. Perhaps a lot of good, too. Maybe even more good than harm. But almost all of that harm was unnecessary. But the past is not the future, and the present shows us marching to a darker and darker future. Better to raise the alarm now and stop that descent rather than letting it continue.