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> weird Linux conspiracy theories floating around these days There is this MAGA Linux Youtuber that is something to be studied on this topic, especially the co

> weird Linux conspiracy theories floating around these days There is this MAGA Linux Youtuber that is something to be studied on this topic, especially the community around it (some overlap with HN too), its basically just hate posting about woke, rust, systemd, python, mozilla, wayland, ubuntu, it goes on and on - https://www.youtube.com/bryanlunduke https://www.youtube.com/bryanlunduke I don't know why some hackers turned so reactionary it's so strange, I used to associate hacker culture more with leftism/anarchism/punks not conservative authoritarians or ancaps/libertarians.

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dismalaf 7mo ago
Dunno if I'd call the people whining about Wayland hackers. More like freeloaders. Hackers make stuff. Also there's nothing about Linux or hacking culture that would be necessarily left or right wing. Maybe somewhat anti establishment with the desire for computing freedom (and in the west the left is firmly the "establishment", pushing the surveillance state forward).
- MBCook 7mo ago
  > Also there's nothing about Linux or hacking culture that would be necessarily left or right wing I agree. But if you pretend there is there’s a big audience on one side ready to lap it up and give you ad views.
- lyu07282 7mo ago
  > and in the west the left is firmly the "establishment" When I think of the left i think of socialists and anarchists, the establishment you mean are liberals, meaning pro-market/privatization/etc. It always amazes me how the right was able to sell themselves as anti-establishment with the average politically uneducated person. The right also pushes the surveillance state forward, the most substantial surveillance legislation in US history, the Patriot act was bipartisan for instance.
  - dismalaf 7mo ago
    You're being intentionally obtuse, shifting the goal posts. It doesn't matter what you claim to think the left is, the left absolutely is the establishment. And if you think there's no authoritarian wing of the left you're either blind or lying. Leftist states are absolutely authoritarian, from the UK jailing people for social media posts to China to extreme examples like NK, Cuba and Venezuela. > right also pushes the surveillance state forward There's been recent news pieces here about stuff like age verification that is firmly coming from the left. Both sides can be authoritarian or not. Libertarianism is a thing. And in many places in the world, Eastern Europe for example, anti-authoritarianism definitely has a "right-wing" lean due to a (hated) history of communism. Linux definitely attracts those who don't like large corporations like Apple or Microsoft, but other than that there's a wide variety of beliefs (or even a lack of beliefs).
    - lyu07282 7mo ago
      > There's been recent news pieces here about stuff like age verification that is firmly coming from the left. California and New York are blue states that implement age verification, but Texas, Alabama and Utah for example also implemented similar laws, it IS bipartisan. Its a pretty staggering how the right was able to brand themselves this way, the most ideologically authoritarian belief system and people think its 'muh freedom' they fight for. The most ironic thing to me is that in reality they are all just corrupt liberals paid for by the same oligarchy, the atrophied political discourse in the west exists solidly within the very narrow overton window of liberalism. > NK, Cuba and Venezuela Its like you think the democratic party or the UK Labor party is ideologically aligned with China, North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela? and your type gets upset that I call you politically illiterate. You will be very confused to learn the left hates Obama or Clinton as much as you do, just for very different reasons you will never understand. All that nonsense just makes you just a loyal soldier for fascists.
      - dismalaf 7mo ago
        > Its like you think the democratic party or the UK Labor party is ideologically aligned with China, North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela? Why not show my whole sentence in context? Address what I actually wrote? Instead of just making shit up... I think this is actually the worst bad-faith comment I've seen on the internet, and that's saying something...

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dismalaf 7mo ago

Dunno if I'd call the people whining about Wayland hackers. More like freeloaders. Hackers make stuff. Also there's nothing about Linux or hacking culture that would be necessarily left or right wing. Maybe somewhat anti establishment with the desire for computing freedom (and in the west the left is firmly the "establishment", pushing the surveillance state forward).

MBCook 7mo ago
> Also there's nothing about Linux or hacking culture that would be necessarily left or right wing I agree. But if you pretend there is there’s a big audience on one side ready to lap it up and give you ad views.
lyu07282 7mo ago
> and in the west the left is firmly the "establishment" When I think of the left i think of socialists and anarchists, the establishment you mean are liberals, meaning pro-market/privatization/etc. It always amazes me how the right was able to sell themselves as anti-establishment with the average politically uneducated person. The right also pushes the surveillance state forward, the most substantial surveillance legislation in US history, the Patriot act was bipartisan for instance.
- dismalaf 7mo ago
  You're being intentionally obtuse, shifting the goal posts. It doesn't matter what you claim to think the left is, the left absolutely is the establishment. And if you think there's no authoritarian wing of the left you're either blind or lying. Leftist states are absolutely authoritarian, from the UK jailing people for social media posts to China to extreme examples like NK, Cuba and Venezuela. > right also pushes the surveillance state forward There's been recent news pieces here about stuff like age verification that is firmly coming from the left. Both sides can be authoritarian or not. Libertarianism is a thing. And in many places in the world, Eastern Europe for example, anti-authoritarianism definitely has a "right-wing" lean due to a (hated) history of communism. Linux definitely attracts those who don't like large corporations like Apple or Microsoft, but other than that there's a wide variety of beliefs (or even a lack of beliefs).
  - lyu07282 7mo ago
    > There's been recent news pieces here about stuff like age verification that is firmly coming from the left. California and New York are blue states that implement age verification, but Texas, Alabama and Utah for example also implemented similar laws, it IS bipartisan. Its a pretty staggering how the right was able to brand themselves this way, the most ideologically authoritarian belief system and people think its 'muh freedom' they fight for. The most ironic thing to me is that in reality they are all just corrupt liberals paid for by the same oligarchy, the atrophied political discourse in the west exists solidly within the very narrow overton window of liberalism. > NK, Cuba and Venezuela Its like you think the democratic party or the UK Labor party is ideologically aligned with China, North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela? and your type gets upset that I call you politically illiterate. You will be very confused to learn the left hates Obama or Clinton as much as you do, just for very different reasons you will never understand. All that nonsense just makes you just a loyal soldier for fascists.
    - dismalaf 7mo ago
      > Its like you think the democratic party or the UK Labor party is ideologically aligned with China, North Korea, Cuba or Venezuela? Why not show my whole sentence in context? Address what I actually wrote? Instead of just making shit up... I think this is actually the worst bad-faith comment I've seen on the internet, and that's saying something...