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Yeah? Then try to drag out a tab of firefox or GNOME files to the upper direction, good luck. Then check how "awful" Blender 5.1 titlebar and window frame integ

Yeah? Then try to drag out a tab of firefox or GNOME files to the upper direction, good luck. Then check how "awful" Blender 5.1 titlebar and window frame integrates to GNOME. Have fun trying to make Deskflow/Synergy working on GDM.

iknowstuff 7mo ago
Wow what a showstopper!
- renewiltord 7mo ago
  Decades of using Linux desktops and nothing has ever changed hahaha. Users still complain things don’t work. Fans still say “oh what a first world problem”. Like a little 2004 era time loop. People still installing Dapper Drake. Haha. In the time that people have been talking about the Wayland future to today where they’re still talking about it I have lived in 3 continents, met my wife and had a child, and experienced a few huge technology shifts. Truly amazing. I get this blast of nostalgia every time this discussion happens. Like looking through a bubble and seeing my teenage self.
  - jasonjayr 7mo ago
    Wayland breaks my slashdot-themed e16 desktop!! /s
  - philwelch 7mo ago
    Hey at least they finished Perl 6!
    - NetMageSCW 7mo ago
      I think it’s more like they gave up on Perl 6, admitted it was a mistake, and renamed all that work like it wasn’t related to Perl. Where it languishes in mostly obscurity.
  - wildredkraut 7mo ago
    Fully agree, same here. It's just sad to keep watching this, because now just after approx. 15 years i started to evaluate the Linux Desktop again and it failed again. Many professional software like Maya, Houdini, Unreal, etc. that used to run great on Linux/X11, now sucks on wayland. Some are hyping Linux for the subpar gaming compatibility, while for GameDev Windows is still required. In 15 years I'll try again, but then I'm probably to old for this.
    - pjmlp 7mo ago
      Or they say it isn't, but then from which OS are the games that make using Proton a requirement? They aren't targeting Linux, they are targeting Windows Game Developers Kit, even when the engine is actually cross platform.
  - ziml77 7mo ago
    When there's people taking the complaints as attacks rather than feedback on how to improve, it's no wonder we keep seeing the same complaints. I just don't get it myself. When users complain about the software I've released, I look to see if there's reasonable changes I can make to alleviate their issues.
- wildredkraut 7mo ago
  It's just some of the so many reasons why the "Year of the Linux Desktop" will never see the light. Linux is doomed to run mainly headless on a dark chamber hardware. As always when the Linux Desktop is just starting to take off, somebody comes up with a new great self destructive idea(wayland), it always has been like that and probably will never change.
  - flexagoon 7mo ago
    I am skeptical of the "Year of the Linux Desktop" as well, but saying that it won't come because of problems like that is crazy. Windows has plenty of bugs of much higher severity, and they don't seem to stop people from using it. People just use what they're used to.
  - fragmede 7mo ago
    Except for AI. I can have Claude go dick around with gconf and .rc files and .input or whatever and have it set things up the way I want to work.
  - flomo 7mo ago
    The goal is to produce a stable workstation OS, because that's who pays the bills. That means Linux 'enthusiasts' who want the latest and greatest stuff have signed themselves up to be eternal betatesters. That part will never change because its largely intentional.
  - MBCook 7mo ago
    Have you USED macOS 26?
    - wildredkraut 7mo ago
      Nope, I stopped using Apple devices in early 2019. I can't accept their attitude anymore, of deciding what I'm allowed to install on my hardware. macOS is a bit more open than iOS, but is every year shifting more and more into the same direction.
  - scheeseman486 7mo ago
- queenkjuul 7mo ago
  You're clearly being sarcastic but when your display manager can't let you type your password that is very literally a show stopper
flexagoon 7mo ago
Don't know about the last two, but I just tried dragging a GNOME Files tab up and it worked just fine?..
Ardren 7mo ago
> Then try to drag out a tab of firefox Works fine here?
- wildredkraut 7mo ago
  Here it just works to the left or right, tried multiple distributions Fedora, Arch, CashyOS, NixOS, no way. Perhaps an issue with NVIDIA drivers, running a 5090 here.
DANmode 7mo ago
> Have fun trying to make Deskflow/Synergy working on GDM. Just install less secure packages, or an entire less secure OS, we’re not stopping you.
- wildredkraut 7mo ago
  Or just install Windows, install Deskflow, do my job, earn my money, pay my bills, go on vacation, take a sun bath and stop using an OS developed by people wearing thin foil aluminum hats.
  - DANmode 7mo ago
    Also not stopping you from that. =] PS tinfoil is an antenna..?

iknowstuff 7mo ago

Wow what a showstopper!

renewiltord 7mo ago
Decades of using Linux desktops and nothing has ever changed hahaha. Users still complain things don’t work. Fans still say “oh what a first world problem”. Like a little 2004 era time loop. People still installing Dapper Drake. Haha. In the time that people have been talking about the Wayland future to today where they’re still talking about it I have lived in 3 continents, met my wife and had a child, and experienced a few huge technology shifts. Truly amazing. I get this blast of nostalgia every time this discussion happens. Like looking through a bubble and seeing my teenage self.
- jasonjayr 7mo ago
  Wayland breaks my slashdot-themed e16 desktop!! /s
- philwelch 7mo ago
  Hey at least they finished Perl 6!
  - NetMageSCW 7mo ago
    I think it’s more like they gave up on Perl 6, admitted it was a mistake, and renamed all that work like it wasn’t related to Perl. Where it languishes in mostly obscurity.
- wildredkraut 7mo ago
  Fully agree, same here. It's just sad to keep watching this, because now just after approx. 15 years i started to evaluate the Linux Desktop again and it failed again. Many professional software like Maya, Houdini, Unreal, etc. that used to run great on Linux/X11, now sucks on wayland. Some are hyping Linux for the subpar gaming compatibility, while for GameDev Windows is still required. In 15 years I'll try again, but then I'm probably to old for this.
  - pjmlp 7mo ago
    Or they say it isn't, but then from which OS are the games that make using Proton a requirement? They aren't targeting Linux, they are targeting Windows Game Developers Kit, even when the engine is actually cross platform.
- ziml77 7mo ago
  When there's people taking the complaints as attacks rather than feedback on how to improve, it's no wonder we keep seeing the same complaints. I just don't get it myself. When users complain about the software I've released, I look to see if there's reasonable changes I can make to alleviate their issues.
wildredkraut 7mo ago
It's just some of the so many reasons why the "Year of the Linux Desktop" will never see the light. Linux is doomed to run mainly headless on a dark chamber hardware. As always when the Linux Desktop is just starting to take off, somebody comes up with a new great self destructive idea(wayland), it always has been like that and probably will never change.
- flexagoon 7mo ago
  I am skeptical of the "Year of the Linux Desktop" as well, but saying that it won't come because of problems like that is crazy. Windows has plenty of bugs of much higher severity, and they don't seem to stop people from using it. People just use what they're used to.
- fragmede 7mo ago
  Except for AI. I can have Claude go dick around with gconf and .rc files and .input or whatever and have it set things up the way I want to work.
- flomo 7mo ago
  The goal is to produce a stable workstation OS, because that's who pays the bills. That means Linux 'enthusiasts' who want the latest and greatest stuff have signed themselves up to be eternal betatesters. That part will never change because its largely intentional.
- MBCook 7mo ago
  Have you USED macOS 26?
  - wildredkraut 7mo ago
    Nope, I stopped using Apple devices in early 2019. I can't accept their attitude anymore, of deciding what I'm allowed to install on my hardware. macOS is a bit more open than iOS, but is every year shifting more and more into the same direction.
- scheeseman486 7mo ago
queenkjuul 7mo ago
You're clearly being sarcastic but when your display manager can't let you type your password that is very literally a show stopper

flexagoon 7mo ago

Don't know about the last two, but I just tried dragging a GNOME Files tab up and it worked just fine?..

Ardren 7mo ago

> Then try to drag out a tab of firefox Works fine here?

wildredkraut 7mo ago
Here it just works to the left or right, tried multiple distributions Fedora, Arch, CashyOS, NixOS, no way. Perhaps an issue with NVIDIA drivers, running a 5090 here.

DANmode 7mo ago

> Have fun trying to make Deskflow/Synergy working on GDM. Just install less secure packages, or an entire less secure OS, we’re not stopping you.

wildredkraut 7mo ago
Or just install Windows, install Deskflow, do my job, earn my money, pay my bills, go on vacation, take a sun bath and stop using an OS developed by people wearing thin foil aluminum hats.
- DANmode 7mo ago
  Also not stopping you from that. =] PS tinfoil is an antenna..?