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I feel like downplaying 1.8 degrees C of performance is a weird choice in the article. 1.8 degrees C is a huge temperature change in biology. Human bodies keep
by XorNot 7mo ago
I feel like downplaying 1.8 degrees C of performance is a weird choice in the article.
1.8 degrees C is a huge temperature change in biology. Human bodies keep thermal equilibrium in a margin smaller then that.
- ropable 7mo agoI didn't quite clock what they meant in that paragraph. I'm pretty sure that a 1.8 degree drop in body temp is approaching hypothermia.
- fellowniusmonk 7mo agoAlso: Freezing right away when you stop moving at 8k altitude? I was just skiing at 11k and it never even crossed my mind.
- ghaff 7mo agoNot right away. But a lot depends on the wind.
- jhellan 7mo agoThe article says meters, not feet.
- MagnumOpus 7mo agoYes. They were talking about 8,000 metres of altitude. (Talking about Mallory should have been a clue too.)
- Scarblac 7mo ago8k meters. There is no place at 11k where you can ski.
- idontwantthis 7mo agoYou could be on skis they might make it harder to control your parachute.
- skithrowyouknow 7mo agoMy friend skis make it easier to use your parachute https://youtu.be/3CDyQXtBGBw?si=YMXZOqvkCLaaLamy&t=1457 https://youtu.be/3CDyQXtBGBw?si=YMXZOqvkCLaaLamy&t=1457
- manarth 7mo agoPeople who paraglide often launch (and land) on skis and can then use thermals to ascend above their launch site. No-one's flying to 11,000m though! (The highest recorded paraglider flight was 10,054m – unintentional, got sucked into a cumulonimbus cloud updraft - also lost consciousness).
- adonovan 7mo agoAlso weird phrasing: "a staggering 1.8 degrees" begs the reader to think of it as a large number (which in fact it is, as you point out) yet their intent seems to be, ironically and paradoxically, to diminish it.
- altairprime 7mo agoI felt like that’s more like a rhetorical device for shorthand-saying “one might expect a ten or twenty degree difference based on modern marketing”, and I’m annoyed the article didn’t say that because it’s a pretty good point delivered rather poorly.
- alistairSH 7mo agoA 20* swing in body temp would render you dead…
- bryanrasmussen 7mo agoOne might expect to be dead if following Modern marketing guidelines.
- altairprime 7mo agoYep! That's what makes marketing against the imaginary foil of death so impactful: the alternative, "if not for our technical fabric, you'd have to fluctuate between zero and six layers of fabric based on exertion, humidity, inclement weather, and personal thermal comfort", is a lot less manipulative than "wear our fabric or die before the peak". Sure, it's true that you have to wear something or die (unless you're a statistical anomaly, anyways), but marketing based on glove weight doesn't cause as many sales as marketing based on frostbite.
- alistairSH 7mo agoYeah, for "real" mountaineering, weights a concern, but not as much as "I don't my limbs to freeze off". For my use cases (backpacking/bikepacking), it's all about the weight. But, I tend not to camp when it drops below 40*F (I do, but I have a travel trailer for that).