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Ever since the shutdown of the side-load they've been pretty vocally anti-anthropic on twitter. Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdo

by extr 7mo ago

Ever since the shutdown of the side-load they've been pretty vocally anti-anthropic on twitter. Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor now that they own bun, insinuating that anthropic shut down the auth from a position of weakness since OpenCode is a superior product, etc. The thing is OpenCode IS a great product, I'm not sure it's "superior", but unfortunately the way things are evolving where the model + harness pairing is so important, it does seem like they are in a similar position to Cursor (and do not have the resources to try to pivot into developing their own foundational model).

lostmsu 7mo ago
I have a huge issue 10416 on OpenCode https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10416 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10416 - their stance on privacy
- siva7 7mo ago
  not sure i follow - do they leak my information to their own servers by default?
  - lostmsu 7mo ago
    This is probably the most exhaustive answer to your question as of Jan 7: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/459#issuecomment-3822338336 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/459#issuecommen... The also leaked all prompts to OpenAI until very recently.
noosphr 7mo ago
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- hungryhobbit 7mo ago
  On what basis are you assuming that Anthropic committed greater copyright theft than Meta, OpenAI, and Google (not to mention many lesser-known options)?
  - edgyquant 7mo ago
    Legally speaking they were found to have by a court and the others weren’t
    - joelwilliamson 7mo ago
      When did that happen? Did they admit guilt in the big settlement, or was there a different case?
- 0x3f 7mo ago
  Sad day when the hacker forum starts lamenting the poor copyright holders.
  - noosphr 7mo ago
    Hacker news is about hackers in the same way that the peoples democratic republic of Korea is about democracy.
    - 0x3f 7mo ago
      I feel HN did have a more information-wants-to-be-free-ey, disrupt-the-incumbents-ey era, though. Or was it all a dream?
croes 7mo ago
Why does Anthropic care how the tokens are consumed?
- extr 7mo ago
  Why does Netflix care how the movies they stream to you are consumed? Shouldn't your $8/mo allow you to stream any movie to OpenFlix and consume however you like?
  - ForHackernews 7mo ago
    Unironically, you should. In a more just world, laws would mandate service providers not obstruct third party clients.
    - theshrike79 7mo ago
      The pricing would also be different.
      - ForHackernews 7mo ago
        Yes, content providers would have to compete with each other on price and library, and client providers could compete on UX and privacy.
  - dewey 7mo ago
    You are also not allowed to show these Netflix movies on a big screen in front of your house and charge people. The 8 dollar are for a specific use case, just like the tokens in the subscription.
- ForHackernews 7mo ago
  Because they're selling discounted tokens to use with their tooling.
- estearum 7mo ago
  Same reason movie theaters care about you not bringing your own snacks
bobmcnamara 7mo ago
> Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor Like with lawyers or something?
- hirako2000 7mo ago
  Rather the hypothetical situation where anthropic makes a code change to bun to have a backdoor. Anthropic leadership is delusional, not suicidal, so they would rather use their lawyers.
tietjens 7mo ago
The OpenCode bun dependency is an unsettling issue I would imagine.
- extr 7mo ago
  I think frankly OpenCode is delusional to think that Anthropic is actually "concerned" with them in any way. Anthropic's concerns at this point are on the geopolitical level. I doubt stamping out ToS-violating usage of their subscription services is even on executive radar. OpenAI only allows it because it's a cheap PR win and they take those where they can get them.
  - segmondy 7mo ago
    Opencode is not delusional, it would be delusional to think Anthropic won't after they have already threatened them.
- Ycros 7mo ago
  if you look at the last few weeks of commits, you can see they've been systematically ripping out everything bun-specific and moving to node
ahmadyan 7mo ago
opencode is a very meh agent. Source: i run pretty much all of these agents (codex, cc, droid, opencode, amp, etc) side-by-side in agentastic.dev and opencode had basically 0 win-rate over other agents.
- green7ea 7mo ago
  I've been using opencode and would be curious to try something else. What would recommend for self hosted llms?
  - truncate 7mo ago
    Very new to self-hosted LLM, but I was able to run Codex with my local ollama server. (codex --oss)
enraged_camel 7mo ago
Yeah, I recognized the PR author from Twitter (same avatar) and man he really does come across as incredibly juvenile. Shamelessly talking up OpenAI while shitting on Claude models and the motivation is just so transparent.
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zozbot234 7mo ago
I wouldn't call OpenCode a "great" product tbh. It's nice that it's FLOSS of course, but the overall quality is a bit underwhelming and it's clearly possible to build much better open agentic harnesses. It would be nice if more people tried to do this.

by extr 7mo ago

lostmsu 7mo ago

I have a huge issue 10416 on OpenCode https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10416 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10416 - their stance on privacy

siva7 7mo ago
not sure i follow - do they leak my information to their own servers by default?
- lostmsu 7mo ago
  This is probably the most exhaustive answer to your question as of Jan 7: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/459#issuecomment-3822338336 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/459#issuecommen... The also leaked all prompts to OpenAI until very recently.

noosphr 7mo ago

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hungryhobbit 7mo ago
On what basis are you assuming that Anthropic committed greater copyright theft than Meta, OpenAI, and Google (not to mention many lesser-known options)?
- edgyquant 7mo ago
  Legally speaking they were found to have by a court and the others weren’t
  - joelwilliamson 7mo ago
    When did that happen? Did they admit guilt in the big settlement, or was there a different case?
0x3f 7mo ago
Sad day when the hacker forum starts lamenting the poor copyright holders.
- noosphr 7mo ago
  Hacker news is about hackers in the same way that the peoples democratic republic of Korea is about democracy.
  - 0x3f 7mo ago
    I feel HN did have a more information-wants-to-be-free-ey, disrupt-the-incumbents-ey era, though. Or was it all a dream?

croes 7mo ago

Why does Anthropic care how the tokens are consumed?

extr 7mo ago
Why does Netflix care how the movies they stream to you are consumed? Shouldn't your $8/mo allow you to stream any movie to OpenFlix and consume however you like?
- ForHackernews 7mo ago
  Unironically, you should. In a more just world, laws would mandate service providers not obstruct third party clients.
  - theshrike79 7mo ago
    The pricing would also be different.
    - ForHackernews 7mo ago
      Yes, content providers would have to compete with each other on price and library, and client providers could compete on UX and privacy.
- dewey 7mo ago
  You are also not allowed to show these Netflix movies on a big screen in front of your house and charge people. The 8 dollar are for a specific use case, just like the tokens in the subscription.
ForHackernews 7mo ago
Because they're selling discounted tokens to use with their tooling.
estearum 7mo ago
Same reason movie theaters care about you not bringing your own snacks

bobmcnamara 7mo ago

> Paranoid that anthropic is going to torpedo them via some backdoor Like with lawyers or something?

hirako2000 7mo ago
Rather the hypothetical situation where anthropic makes a code change to bun to have a backdoor. Anthropic leadership is delusional, not suicidal, so they would rather use their lawyers.

tietjens 7mo ago

The OpenCode bun dependency is an unsettling issue I would imagine.

extr 7mo ago
I think frankly OpenCode is delusional to think that Anthropic is actually "concerned" with them in any way. Anthropic's concerns at this point are on the geopolitical level. I doubt stamping out ToS-violating usage of their subscription services is even on executive radar. OpenAI only allows it because it's a cheap PR win and they take those where they can get them.
- segmondy 7mo ago
  Opencode is not delusional, it would be delusional to think Anthropic won't after they have already threatened them.
Ycros 7mo ago
if you look at the last few weeks of commits, you can see they've been systematically ripping out everything bun-specific and moving to node

ahmadyan 7mo ago

opencode is a very meh agent. Source: i run pretty much all of these agents (codex, cc, droid, opencode, amp, etc) side-by-side in agentastic.dev and opencode had basically 0 win-rate over other agents.

green7ea 7mo ago
I've been using opencode and would be curious to try something else. What would recommend for self hosted llms?
- truncate 7mo ago
  Very new to self-hosted LLM, but I was able to run Codex with my local ollama server. (codex --oss)

enraged_camel 7mo ago

Yeah, I recognized the PR author from Twitter (same avatar) and man he really does come across as incredibly juvenile. Shamelessly talking up OpenAI while shitting on Claude models and the motivation is just so transparent.

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zozbot234 7mo ago

I wouldn't call OpenCode a "great" product tbh. It's nice that it's FLOSS of course, but the overall quality is a bit underwhelming and it's clearly possible to build much better open agentic harnesses. It would be nice if more people tried to do this.