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People find their ring cameras too useful, businesses love cloud based security camera systems, facial recognition and cloud backup are expected features of eve

People find their ring cameras too useful, businesses love cloud based security camera systems, facial recognition and cloud backup are expected features of every phone's photo app, courts consider recording integral to first amendment expression. These are some big rocks you'll need to move, otherwise your amendment won't be worth the paper it's written on. Just saying "you can collect all the data, but don't use it for surveillance" doesn't mean much. I have no solutions, feels like we missed the boat if there ever was an opportunity to prevent it in the first place. We live in public now.

rolandog 7mo ago
Not sure if I agree that the only solution is to give up now; we need sensible people that know how the technology works in power and that are not beholden to serve big corporations, but rather the average person. We need less populist and long-drawn campaigns. We need less politicizing. And we need all of that yesterday.
- hsbauauvhabzb 7mo ago
  > sensible people that know how the technology works in power You had me right up until that sentence. Good one.
conception 7mo ago
You can have a ring camera- “just”make it illegal to share/sell the data from it. Have it be an audit item.
eesmith 7mo ago
I don't think "courts consider recording integral to first amendment expression" is fully correct. Otherwise there could not be states with two-party/all-party consent requirements for making an recording. I think requiring all-party consent for facial recognition would not have 1st amendment issues. Implementation details and effectiveness are, of course, very different issues.
coldtea 7mo ago
>People find their ring cameras too useful, businesses love cloud based security camera systems, facial recognition and cloud backup are expected features of every phone's photo app, courts consider recording integral to first amendment expression. As long as the recordings aren't centrally stored and sold in bulk, and sold to brokers and governments, that would still be ok.
dylan604 7mo ago
Just this week I've been taking walks in my neighborhood, and the number of homes that chime or play a voice recording to indicate being recorded was shocking. I just indicate to them that I think they are number 1. In other situations where I'm in public with a camera cleary pointed in my direction I tend to do that with my hand in front of my face. If they are going to blur out the #1 sign, my face gets conveniently blurred as well. They might have a right to record, but I also have a right to silently express my opinion as well.
- MidnightRider39 7mo ago
  > they are number 1 Maybe I’m daft but what does this mean?
  - dylan604 7mo ago
    Giving the bird. Someone's not using their inner 12 year old self.
  - bombcar 7mo ago
    The ol’ double deuce. The finger. The salute. The bird.
- excalibur 7mo ago
  When you're walking around with your finger over your face all day, you should extend your thumb as well, so everyone can tell you're a Legend.
  - dylan604 7mo ago
    Maybe I should just get a custom sticker for my forehead. I'd fit in at cons with everyone walking around as a hologram

rolandog 7mo ago

Not sure if I agree that the only solution is to give up now; we need sensible people that know how the technology works in power and that are not beholden to serve big corporations, but rather the average person. We need less populist and long-drawn campaigns. We need less politicizing. And we need all of that yesterday.

hsbauauvhabzb 7mo ago
> sensible people that know how the technology works in power You had me right up until that sentence. Good one.

conception 7mo ago

You can have a ring camera- “just”make it illegal to share/sell the data from it. Have it be an audit item.

eesmith 7mo ago

I don't think "courts consider recording integral to first amendment expression" is fully correct. Otherwise there could not be states with two-party/all-party consent requirements for making an recording. I think requiring all-party consent for facial recognition would not have 1st amendment issues. Implementation details and effectiveness are, of course, very different issues.

coldtea 7mo ago

>People find their ring cameras too useful, businesses love cloud based security camera systems, facial recognition and cloud backup are expected features of every phone's photo app, courts consider recording integral to first amendment expression. As long as the recordings aren't centrally stored and sold in bulk, and sold to brokers and governments, that would still be ok.

dylan604 7mo ago

Just this week I've been taking walks in my neighborhood, and the number of homes that chime or play a voice recording to indicate being recorded was shocking. I just indicate to them that I think they are number 1. In other situations where I'm in public with a camera cleary pointed in my direction I tend to do that with my hand in front of my face. If they are going to blur out the #1 sign, my face gets conveniently blurred as well. They might have a right to record, but I also have a right to silently express my opinion as well.

MidnightRider39 7mo ago
> they are number 1 Maybe I’m daft but what does this mean?
- dylan604 7mo ago
  Giving the bird. Someone's not using their inner 12 year old self.
- bombcar 7mo ago
  The ol’ double deuce. The finger. The salute. The bird.
excalibur 7mo ago
When you're walking around with your finger over your face all day, you should extend your thumb as well, so everyone can tell you're a Legend.
- dylan604 7mo ago
  Maybe I should just get a custom sticker for my forehead. I'd fit in at cons with everyone walking around as a hologram