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Most NPC like take. Look I get your sentiment. Sometimes it feels like you're the only thinking, conscious being. Surrounded by beings who fundamentally cannot

Most NPC like take. Look I get your sentiment. Sometimes it feels like you're the only thinking, conscious being. Surrounded by beings who fundamentally cannot understand that A –> B does not imply B –> A. Beings that say things that are so obviously non-sequiturs or contradictory. But calling people NPCs is the most NPC thing you can do. There is more to people than logical reasoning and these things often impede or completely block reasoning. Very intelligent people sometimes say the most grotesque things. People turn mad and mad people sometimes get their head set straight. Sometimes it's not so much about the pure ability to reason but the goal of that person and whether they see understanding something or trying to understand it as helpful towards that goal. I do agree though that the more intelligent someone is the less likely it is that other things will block their intelligent ability and the harder it is for them to fool themselves into believing absurd nonsense and to blind themselves from apparent truth. Sometimes after talking with someone – or rather trying to but ending up only talking to them because they just do not manage to understand what I'm saying or to engage with it in any way – I wonder how they manage to get through every day life as that requires solving way more complex practical problems. Yet they do.

heliumtera 7mo ago
I liked this response and overall I don't disagree. Just to be clear, I don't have any problems with people considered to be of lower intelligence. This is besides the point. Unfortunately, this isn't something that can be elaborated much further. Since you took the time to respond, and seems to be a little perturbed, I will just say again I was never addressing lack of intelligence or mental capabilities. Intelligent individuals perform well on different educational frameworks, they absorb much faster the rules in place, they have incentives to play along and place trust in the ecosystem they live in. They are the most likely to believe in absurd nonsense. Despite being miserable and powerless, they play along larping as competent for not being challenged by virtual problems, not questioning reality a single day of their lives. And yet, they will fight to death for the opportunity of playing along and never question anything, for the opportunity to be exploited yet again. Intelligent people convinced themselves, day one at school, there is a better way described on the books. They got really good when they understood this. They got pretty rewards. Today, at 35, they behave the same. The books became the articles, hacker news discussions, readme auto generated filled with adjectives. They like adjectives very much. What does this system do? Blazingly fast, secure, sandboxed. Sandboxed? Is it kvm or what? - Secure, production grade, made for x, empower you to y. Are you familiar with the memes about boomer mentality, that believe everything they see on television? Television is now pelican guy articles, ai influencers, Theo, Vercel... If every single decision someone make benefits only the rent seeking parasite, but not the individual deciding...safe to conclude this individual does not care about preserving himself? Self preservation not important, lack of will of power, flacid as fuck... The only conclusion I could possibly arrive is most people like this do not have a soul. How else could I explain? I couldn't make a good job keeping this brief, but tried my best to explain why it is not a matter of intelligence. I said reasoning.
- basilikum 7mo ago
  Intelligent ability is not the same as logical abstract reasoning in behavior. I think we agree on that. But intelligence is a prerequisite for it. > They are the most likely to believe in absurd nonsense. I disagree. Intelligent people who believe in absurd nonsense are better at rationalizing that nonsense and at making it convincing. Some people write very lengthy books arguing for a clearly flawed premise precisely to distract from the fact that the premise is flawed. But overall intelligent people are less likely to believe in nonsense in the first place and more likely to critically and, importantly, logical soundly examine a thesis that is presented as given. > Intelligent people convinced themselves, day one at school, there is a better way described on the books. They got really good when they understood this. They got pretty rewards. What I think you are describing is academic (and professional, maybe somewhat social) performance and conformity, not intelligence. Your answer reads increasingly convoluted to me towards the end. But I will try to interpret a sentiment from it. People who do not arrive at the same conclusions as you do not necessarily do so for a lack of reasoning. Two equally intelligent individuals when presented with the same messy, incomplete fragments of reality can through reasoning arrive at widly different conclusions. And in reality we are never even presented with the same fragments of reality in the first place. Man, if you think you have figured it all out, you really haven't. Regardless of what it is that you believe. There really is nothing more foolish or more NPC like than to think you've understood it all.

heliumtera 7mo ago

I liked this response and overall I don't disagree. Just to be clear, I don't have any problems with people considered to be of lower intelligence. This is besides the point. Unfortunately, this isn't something that can be elaborated much further. Since you took the time to respond, and seems to be a little perturbed, I will just say again I was never addressing lack of intelligence or mental capabilities. Intelligent individuals perform well on different educational frameworks, they absorb much faster the rules in place, they have incentives to play along and place trust in the ecosystem they live in. They are the most likely to believe in absurd nonsense. Despite being miserable and powerless, they play along larping as competent for not being challenged by virtual problems, not questioning reality a single day of their lives. And yet, they will fight to death for the opportunity of playing along and never question anything, for the opportunity to be exploited yet again. Intelligent people convinced themselves, day one at school, there is a better way described on the books. They got really good when they understood this. They got pretty rewards. Today, at 35, they behave the same. The books became the articles, hacker news discussions, readme auto generated filled with adjectives. They like adjectives very much. What does this system do? Blazingly fast, secure, sandboxed. Sandboxed? Is it kvm or what? - Secure, production grade, made for x, empower you to y. Are you familiar with the memes about boomer mentality, that believe everything they see on television? Television is now pelican guy articles, ai influencers, Theo, Vercel... If every single decision someone make benefits only the rent seeking parasite, but not the individual deciding...safe to conclude this individual does not care about preserving himself? Self preservation not important, lack of will of power, flacid as fuck... The only conclusion I could possibly arrive is most people like this do not have a soul. How else could I explain? I couldn't make a good job keeping this brief, but tried my best to explain why it is not a matter of intelligence. I said reasoning.

basilikum 7mo ago
Intelligent ability is not the same as logical abstract reasoning in behavior. I think we agree on that. But intelligence is a prerequisite for it. > They are the most likely to believe in absurd nonsense. I disagree. Intelligent people who believe in absurd nonsense are better at rationalizing that nonsense and at making it convincing. Some people write very lengthy books arguing for a clearly flawed premise precisely to distract from the fact that the premise is flawed. But overall intelligent people are less likely to believe in nonsense in the first place and more likely to critically and, importantly, logical soundly examine a thesis that is presented as given. > Intelligent people convinced themselves, day one at school, there is a better way described on the books. They got really good when they understood this. They got pretty rewards. What I think you are describing is academic (and professional, maybe somewhat social) performance and conformity, not intelligence. Your answer reads increasingly convoluted to me towards the end. But I will try to interpret a sentiment from it. People who do not arrive at the same conclusions as you do not necessarily do so for a lack of reasoning. Two equally intelligent individuals when presented with the same messy, incomplete fragments of reality can through reasoning arrive at widly different conclusions. And in reality we are never even presented with the same fragments of reality in the first place. Man, if you think you have figured it all out, you really haven't. Regardless of what it is that you believe. There really is nothing more foolish or more NPC like than to think you've understood it all.