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The Story of Marina Abramovic and Ulay (2020)
- incognito124 7mo agoHaving ć symbol stand out because the font does not support it is a story way too familiar to anyone from Balkans
- subpixel 7mo agoFor decades, I have successfully used reverence for Marina Abramovic as an attribute to filter out persons with whom I am incompatible.
- game_the0ry 7mo agoSay more.
- SideburnsOfDoom 7mo agoIs it like "The Slavoj Žižek game" except with Marina Abramović instead of Slavoj Žižek? https://medium.com/the-hairpin/the-best-time-i-pretended-i-hadnt-heard-of-slavoj-%C5%BEi%C5%BEek-4d746d77606 https://medium.com/the-hairpin/the-best-time-i-pretended-i-h...
- the_cat_kittles 7mo agothat is one of the most pretentious things ive ever read
- SideburnsOfDoom 7mo agoPerhaps you mean that as an insult, but IMHO that's what makes it funny. Some of the references regional or are dated, since it is from 10 years ago.
- 1337biz 7mo agoIt also requires some ideological bubble where people care too much what other people know and think. Otherwise someone would never bother that kind of an educational talk with a stranger.
- wolfi1 7mo agoI played kind of the same thing a little while ago. I and a friend wanted to watch a movie, "Blast of Silence" it was called. We met in the bar two people, one of them I knew, the other one asked what we were about to watch, I answered "Blast of Silence", pronouncing it completely wrong (our mother tongue is some sort of German), she thought I made a joke and I told her with a completely straight face that I didn't learn English in school as I was going to a very basic school. I had to completely rely on the subtitles. She was a little bit embarrassed to have brought it up. moral of the story: you have to play dumb convincingly then you can have a little bit of fun
- api 7mo agoYes, it is, and that's the irony, making it meta, which makes it the very kind of pretentious bullshit it is critiquing, which makes it brilliant, which also makes it bullshit, which is amusing. It's great satire. A version of this I've experienced before is when someone's trying to "pill" you on some ideology that you've already examined and tossed aside. They keep trying to educate you on it. Like the problem is you don't get it. You can't even get across that no, in fact, you do get it, and you don't accept it.
- BoingBoomTschak 7mo agoA decent red flag to detect typical New-Yorker intellectual fart sniffers.
- api 7mo agoSomeone should make a site for literature, music, art, etc. that uses a filter to exclude anything from New York. I mean it's not like everything from New York is bad, but even the good stuff there is eclipsed by the sheer volume and assumed gravitas of pretentious crap. (Apparently there's now a whole scene there of right-wing pretentious crap too, so this is by no means a political dig.) It'd be kind of like Kagi's "small web" switch. Show me the great painter of incredibly moving scenes in some college town in Michigan who lives in a borderline squat and can't pay her bills or the indie hillbilly trip-hop crossover band in Oklahoma doing something original and actually good. The net was supposed to be all about this but algorithms have kind of ruined it by algorithmically promoting attention bait, like an automated version of the pretentious gravitas machine but with even worse taste.
- stemlord 7mo agoThat would be amazing. Idk if you're hating on NYC but yeah, artists go there for career exposure so it would be interesting to somehow gain easy access to all of those who haven't sought exposure through the main institutional channels
- api 7mo agoI'm not really hating on NYC so much as the pretentious gravitas machine that seems to be permanently stuck on early-mid 20th century avant garde tropes and derivatives of them. There just happens to be a crapload of that in New York, and a ton of people who want to be in and around that scene, so much so that an anti-NYC filter would be useful. Years ago I lived in a little town called Asheville, NC. I've heard it's not as good as it used to be but back then... the sheer number of unbelievable artists that nobody had ever heard of and were living at or near poverty was staggering. I miss strolling through downtown and stopping into galleries and routinely seeing pieces that were moving. I really wish I'd collected more of it or at least taken notes and written down names. The place was also covered in graffiti far more interesting and clever than most of Banksy. I photographed a little of it. Should have photographed more. Apparently there's a number of small towns and medium sized cities with concentrations like this, because seldom can artists genuinely committed to their own visions afford to live in a place like NYC. The reason you saw a lot of genuinely innovative art there once was that it was cheap because it was dirty and crime-ridden. Now people like that go to little towns, medium sized cities in the interior, and the middle of nowhere. I do think going to NYC can be actively harmful though... there's been two musicians I genuinely loved who made incredible original visionary stuff in places like Ann Arbor MI and Mississippi and then moved to NYC and their stuff became dull atonal ambient click-noise junk. Cause that's avant garde, I guess. Tangentially... I've heard there is now a quietly but explicitly well-funded detachment of far-right and "alt-right" New Yorker artists and intellectuals making right-wing coded pretentious crap. (Most pretentious crap is left-coded but it does not have to be.) Maybe this is what will finally kill the thing I'm talking about.
- dddw 7mo agoExcellent, I will be copying you, and hope we meet. JK, seriously curious how this works out at an art-opening.
- jancsika 7mo agoDollars to donuts the only thing standing in the way of you having a mutually meaningful conversation with anyone in this set of people is your low effort filter.
- keiferski 7mo agoPeople who say stuff like this are just signaling. Same exact thing as the people that “don’t care about fashion” yet wear the same hoodie jeans uniform as everyone else.
- subpixel 7mo agoYou’re not wrong in general but I happen to be dead serious. I’m a little closer to the art world professionally than many, YMMV.
- DANmode 7mo agoCurious where you’re finding these people.
- smartbit 7mo agoWalk Through Walls: A Memoir https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/288046/walk-through-walls-by-abramovic-marina/9780241974520 https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/288046/walk-through-walls-by... also covers her relationship with Ula. Easy read, personal & entertaining. Highly recommended.
- axpy906 7mo agoIsn’t that the soul cooking lady from the Podesta files? Edit: yup looks like it
- preciz 7mo agoThe fact this is the top comment shows that HN is healing.
- keiferski 7mo agoYeah, not so much. Half a decade ago there would be some interesting commentary on her performance art. Now it’s just Reddit tier meme comments and “it’s dumb and I think anyone that likes her is dumb.”
- mikkupikku 7mo agoHer performance art consciously courts controversy, so it wouldn't be fair to the artist to ignore this aspect of her work. Anybody who wants the discussion to avoid the controversies is being dumb and quite frankly doesn't understand art!
- keiferski 7mo agoWhat aspect? I doubt any of the shallow dismissals are even vaguely familiar with her work. Certainly it’s possible to critique her, but I’m not seeing any of that here.
- mikkupikku 7mo agoThe woman goes out of her way to play on taboos like cannibalism, but you think you're doing her a favor to ignore it? Please.
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- zoklet-enjoyer 7mo agoShe's always been so cringey. Like when she let people beat her up and called it art.
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- sethaurus 7mo agoThe world became a much more fun and interesting place for me when I stopped rejecting things on the basis of cringe.
- zoklet-enjoyer 7mo agoGood for you. Have you seen her performance art?
- sethaurus 7mo agoI saw a docco about her and found it entertaining and interesting. I haven't seen her work in person, have you?
- lpd59 7mo agoThese self-proclaimed conceptual artists entire 'work' consists of doing stupid and pointless things in public to get money and attention and then act pretentiously about it. In other words, they invented the concept of influencer 30 or 40 years before it was mainstream on the internet.