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Hungary can leave the EU if it wants. Article 50 exists for this. If it wants to stay in the EU it has to adhere to the bloc rules. It is not forced to stay in

Hungary can leave the EU if it wants. Article 50 exists for this. If it wants to stay in the EU it has to adhere to the bloc rules. It is not forced to stay in the EU (and, in fact, getting rid of Orban would not be such a bad idea). Hungexit when?

RobotToaster 8mo ago
Why leave when you can just keep breaking the rules and wait for the EU to kick you out?
maartenh 8mo ago
Elections are happening soon (April). It's not clear at all Orban will win this round of elections, see e.g. https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-magyar-rival-rallies-election-d9802379bae4d314463d9b80dacea950 https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-magyar-rival-rallie...
joe_mamba 8mo ago
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- dosinga 8mo ago
  Employers and landlords do that sort of thing all the time. Rent goes up, job descriptions change, return to office is suddenly required. And yeah, you can get a different job or a different home if you don't like it.
- victorbjorklund 8mo ago
  You are free to leave EU just like any other agreement.
- layer8 8mo ago
  States joining the EU agree to transfer some of their competences to the EU, in exchange for the benefits that being a member brings. They participate democratically in the EU decisions like every other member state. They even have veto powers in some cases. If they feel that it isn’t worth it anymore, they are free to leave.
- surgical_fire 8mo ago
  > What are you supposed to do when the bloc rules imposed upon you now, are not the ones that were agreed upon when you joined? Those rules are not conjured from thin air. They are proposed either by EU commission or EU council, and the national governments have direct participation on both, including veto powers. And ultimately, a country can article 50 if the rules are unacceptable. > Imagine your landlord or employer changes your contract without your consent and just tells you to walk if you don't like it. Depending on the country where you live there are regulations, but employers in particular do that all the time. > I'm old enough to see how the EU of today is not the same it was just 20 years ago. Age presumably brings wisdom. Not always.
woodpanel 8mo ago
Oh we all saw the true colors of the glorious and open and free-to-leave EU when Brits wanted to leave.
- riffraff 8mo ago
  Yes we did, the UK just left.
- victorbjorklund 8mo ago
  Yes, they were free to leave. No one stopped them from leaving the free trade area and having the exact same status as any other random country in the world. Or did you mean that Uk wanted to leave EU but keep all the good benefits? Like canceling Netflix and bitching about not being able to watch the latest series.
  - woodpanel 8mo ago
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    - matthewmacleod 8mo ago
      This didn’t happen. I know you have a fantasy it will be hard to disabuse you of, but that was an issue all of the UK’s own making.
      - woodpanel 7mo ago
        Yes it did happen. After the referendum, the EU and Bremainers made the 2 following nation-wide elections into single-issue elections. And they burned themselves justifiably from it. You know that is the problem with the pro EU camp, they tout their opposition as science deniers and worse, yet conveniently pretend hard numbers (ie. election results) don't exist or didn't happen - if it hurts their feelings. It's just intellectual dishonesty through and through.
        matthewmacleod 7mo ago

RobotToaster 8mo ago

Why leave when you can just keep breaking the rules and wait for the EU to kick you out?

maartenh 8mo ago

Elections are happening soon (April). It's not clear at all Orban will win this round of elections, see e.g. https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-magyar-rival-rallies-election-d9802379bae4d314463d9b80dacea950 https://apnews.com/article/hungary-orban-magyar-rival-rallie...

joe_mamba 8mo ago

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dosinga 8mo ago
Employers and landlords do that sort of thing all the time. Rent goes up, job descriptions change, return to office is suddenly required. And yeah, you can get a different job or a different home if you don't like it.
victorbjorklund 8mo ago
You are free to leave EU just like any other agreement.
layer8 8mo ago
States joining the EU agree to transfer some of their competences to the EU, in exchange for the benefits that being a member brings. They participate democratically in the EU decisions like every other member state. They even have veto powers in some cases. If they feel that it isn’t worth it anymore, they are free to leave.
surgical_fire 8mo ago
> What are you supposed to do when the bloc rules imposed upon you now, are not the ones that were agreed upon when you joined? Those rules are not conjured from thin air. They are proposed either by EU commission or EU council, and the national governments have direct participation on both, including veto powers. And ultimately, a country can article 50 if the rules are unacceptable. > Imagine your landlord or employer changes your contract without your consent and just tells you to walk if you don't like it. Depending on the country where you live there are regulations, but employers in particular do that all the time. > I'm old enough to see how the EU of today is not the same it was just 20 years ago. Age presumably brings wisdom. Not always.

woodpanel 8mo ago

Oh we all saw the true colors of the glorious and open and free-to-leave EU when Brits wanted to leave.

riffraff 8mo ago
Yes we did, the UK just left.
victorbjorklund 8mo ago
Yes, they were free to leave. No one stopped them from leaving the free trade area and having the exact same status as any other random country in the world. Or did you mean that Uk wanted to leave EU but keep all the good benefits? Like canceling Netflix and bitching about not being able to watch the latest series.
- woodpanel 8mo ago
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  - matthewmacleod 8mo ago
    This didn’t happen. I know you have a fantasy it will be hard to disabuse you of, but that was an issue all of the UK’s own making.
    - woodpanel 7mo ago
      Yes it did happen. After the referendum, the EU and Bremainers made the 2 following nation-wide elections into single-issue elections. And they burned themselves justifiably from it. You know that is the problem with the pro EU camp, they tout their opposition as science deniers and worse, yet conveniently pretend hard numbers (ie. election results) don't exist or didn't happen - if it hurts their feelings. It's just intellectual dishonesty through and through.
      - matthewmacleod 7mo ago