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looking back at the history of starlink, when was it decided to pursue this project at SpaceX? Was it always the natural evolution, i.e. cheap launches = more

by caycep 7mo ago

looking back at the history of starlink, when was it decided to pursue this project at SpaceX? Was it always the natural evolution, i.e. cheap launches = more communications sats? Or was there a specific communications engineer/person that brought it up to Elon or Gwynne?

bblcla 7mo ago
I'm not actually sure myself, but I was really surprised to learn how profitable it is. SpaceX made $15b of revenue last year and $8b of profit. Starlink was 60-80% of that! It turns out the demand for really good internet everywhere is huge.
- infinitewars 7mo ago
  Absolutely false. There were article claiming "$8b profit" but relabeling EBITDA as profit. EBITDA only tells you that Starlink makes money on a satellite once it is already in space and connected to a user. It deletes the cost of building the satellite, launching the satellite, the user equipment manufacturing, and just about all other substantial expenses. Not to mention payments servicing all their debt and Starship development. The fact a Starlink satellite only has a < 5 year lifetime and ~2 starlink sats burn up in the atmosphere every single day is entirely left out as well. They have never been profitable in any real sense. But that's okay, because their real goal is backed by Uncle Sam: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_system) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_syst...
phonon 7mo ago
SpaceX originally partnered with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Wyler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Wyler and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutelsat_OneWeb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutelsat_OneWeb in 2014, then they eventually went their separate ways. https://x.com/greg_wyler/status/1116101020675977218 https://x.com/greg_wyler/status/1116101020675977218
- inemesitaffia 7mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrey_Satellite_Technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrey_Satellite_Technology You can clearly see the tech had an older history at SpaceX pre acquisition 2004 I believe they also signed up a teledesic exec Larry Williams around the same time
infinitewars 7mo ago
Starlink is based on the strategic defense initiative (SDI). Both reusable rockets (DC-X) and large satellite constellations (Brilliant Pebbles) were SDI inventions. SpaceX was in fact founded with the architect of SDI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin who went from the CIA to become head of NASA and funded the early SpaceX (10x from what Musk himself put in!) Now in 2026, SpaceX is the frontrunner for the Golden Dome, which is an SDI reboot. The company was always about Wars not Mars.
- caycep 7mo ago
  ah good to know....it seems this history is kinda scrubbed from at least a quick Google search of the company's history. I do remember DC-X, mostly as when I was a kid, that program coincided with when the web became popular, and I remember (hopefully somewhat accurately) downloaded jpeg/gif files from NASA publicity releases of that rocket over my 2400 bps modem
  - infinitewars 7mo ago
    Elon was downloading those same images with you ;)
- DarmokJalad1701 7mo ago
  > The company was always about Wars not Mars. Such a cynical take! Starlink made Golden Dome possible. It is easy to make up conspiracies post-hoc while forgetting that they were ridiculed when they announced it and the "experts" opined that it is impossible to do. > SpaceX was in fact founded with the architect of SDI This is highly unfounded speculation. Griffin went to work for "In-Q-Tel" after SpaceX was already founded (as said in the link you cited). There is no evidence I could find that they ever invested in SpaceX. The existence of cheap launch and cheap satellites allowed the (at the time new) Space Force to pivot from large, expensive monolithic satellites to a "proliferated architecture" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Development_Agency#Launches https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Development_Agency#Launc...) at a much lower cost.

by caycep 7mo ago

bblcla 7mo ago

I'm not actually sure myself, but I was really surprised to learn how profitable it is. SpaceX made $15b of revenue last year and $8b of profit. Starlink was 60-80% of that! It turns out the demand for really good internet everywhere is huge.

infinitewars 7mo ago
Absolutely false. There were article claiming "$8b profit" but relabeling EBITDA as profit. EBITDA only tells you that Starlink makes money on a satellite once it is already in space and connected to a user. It deletes the cost of building the satellite, launching the satellite, the user equipment manufacturing, and just about all other substantial expenses. Not to mention payments servicing all their debt and Starship development. The fact a Starlink satellite only has a < 5 year lifetime and ~2 starlink sats burn up in the atmosphere every single day is entirely left out as well. They have never been profitable in any real sense. But that's okay, because their real goal is backed by Uncle Sam: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_system) https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_syst...

phonon 7mo ago

SpaceX originally partnered with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Wyler https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greg_Wyler and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutelsat_OneWeb https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eutelsat_OneWeb in 2014, then they eventually went their separate ways. https://x.com/greg_wyler/status/1116101020675977218 https://x.com/greg_wyler/status/1116101020675977218

inemesitaffia 7mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrey_Satellite_Technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrey_Satellite_Technology You can clearly see the tech had an older history at SpaceX pre acquisition 2004 I believe they also signed up a teledesic exec Larry Williams around the same time

infinitewars 7mo ago

Starlink is based on the strategic defense initiative (SDI). Both reusable rockets (DC-X) and large satellite constellations (Brilliant Pebbles) were SDI inventions. SpaceX was in fact founded with the architect of SDI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_D._Griffin who went from the CIA to become head of NASA and funded the early SpaceX (10x from what Musk himself put in!) Now in 2026, SpaceX is the frontrunner for the Golden Dome, which is an SDI reboot. The company was always about Wars not Mars.

caycep 7mo ago
ah good to know....it seems this history is kinda scrubbed from at least a quick Google search of the company's history. I do remember DC-X, mostly as when I was a kid, that program coincided with when the web became popular, and I remember (hopefully somewhat accurately) downloaded jpeg/gif files from NASA publicity releases of that rocket over my 2400 bps modem
- infinitewars 7mo ago
  Elon was downloading those same images with you ;)
DarmokJalad1701 7mo ago
> The company was always about Wars not Mars. Such a cynical take! Starlink made Golden Dome possible. It is easy to make up conspiracies post-hoc while forgetting that they were ridiculed when they announced it and the "experts" opined that it is impossible to do. > SpaceX was in fact founded with the architect of SDI This is highly unfounded speculation. Griffin went to work for "In-Q-Tel" after SpaceX was already founded (as said in the link you cited). There is no evidence I could find that they ever invested in SpaceX. The existence of cheap launch and cheap satellites allowed the (at the time new) Space Force to pivot from large, expensive monolithic satellites to a "proliferated architecture" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Development_Agency#Launches https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Development_Agency#Launc...) at a much lower cost.