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Perhaps we should start making LLM- open source projects (clearly marked as such). Created by LLMs, open for LLM contributions, with some clearly defined protoc
by comboy 7mo ago
Perhaps we should start making LLM- open source projects (clearly marked as such). Created by LLMs, open for LLM contributions, with some clearly defined protocols I'd be interesting where it would go. I imagine it could start as a project with a simple instruction file to include in your project to try to find abstractions which can be useful to others as a library and look for specific kind of libraries. Some people want to help others even if they are sharing effectively money+time rather than their skill.
Although I'm afraid big part of these LLM contributions may be people trying to build their portfolio. Some known project contributor sounds better than having some LLM generated code under your name.
- Cpoll 7mo agoMoltbook meets GitHub? Sounds like a billion dollar valuation (sarcasm tag deliberately omitted).
- thewebguyd 7mo agoActually, I'd want to see that. All the AI companies keep saying it will take our jobs, human developers won't be necessary. Well let them put their money where their mouth is. Let's see what happens, see what the agents create or fail to create. See if we end up with a new OS, kernel all the way up to desktop environment.
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- comboy 7mo agoMe too, the problem is that it's hard to come up with tools that are needed but not made yet, and we don't want to end up with https://malus.sh/index.html https://malus.sh/index.html
- simonw 7mo agoOpenClaw https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw is effectively that - 1,237 contributors, 19,999 commits and the first commit was only back in November.
- bensyverson 7mo agoSimon, as co-creator of Django, what's your take on this story?
- simonw 7mo agoI think this line says everything: > If you do not understand the ticket, if you do not understand the solution, or if you do not understand the feedback on your PR, then your use of LLM is hurting Django as a whole.
- bensyverson 7mo agoI love it. Sounds like good advice for submitting a PR to any project!
- FEELmyAGI 7mo agoWhy does it matter if the I understand the ticket and solution? THe LLLM writes the code not me. If you want to check the LLM understanding i'll be happy to copy and paste your gatekeeping questions to it. Hey I thought you were a proponent of "no one needs to look at the code" ? dark factory, etc etc.
- simonw 7mo agoJust because I write about the dark factory stuff doesn't mean I'm a "proponent" of it. I think it's interesting and there's a lot we can learn from what they are trying, but I'm not yet convinced it's the right way to produce software. The linked article makes a very good argument for why pasting the output of your LLM into a Django PR isn't valuable. The simplest version: if that's all you are doing, why should the maintainers spend time considering your contribution as opposed to prompting the models themselves?
- FEELmyAGI 7mo ago> if that's all you are doing, why should the maintainers spend time considering your contribution as opposed to prompting the models themselves? Plenty of reasons: - Maybe the maintainers don't have enough credits to run the LLM themselves - Maybe the maintainers don't value fixing the issue which is why it sits in issue tracker - Maybe LLM user has a different model or harness that produces different outcomes - Maybe the LLM user runs the model over and over and gets lucky Why reject a working solution?
- grey-area 7mo agoPlease do, that would be amazing. You'd have to manage the contributions, or get your AI bots to manage them or something, but it would be great to have honeypots like this to attract all the low effort LLM slop.
- add-sub-mul-div 7mo agoI like the idea that we could quarantine away LLM contributions like how Twitter quarantines the worst of social media away from Mastodon etc.