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100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have r

100% not true. Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. This is what he has supported for a long time. And why many states in the last two years have recognized a Palestinian state: https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-president-general-assembly-1.7643286 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/mahmoud-abbas-palestinian-pres... While there was rejectionists in the past, Netanyahu has been the rejectionist for the last two decades. He says so himself: https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-the-establishment-of-a-palestinian-state-for-decades/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-boasts-of-thwarting-... He and his cronies boosted Hamas in part to split the Palestinians so as to avoid having to negotiate a two-state solution: https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

jon_adler 7mo ago
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  - this2shallPass 7mo ago
    > "Hitler did not kill the Jews because of their religion; he killed them because they were Jews. And we must remember that, because there are those who would do the same today if they could." — Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking at the World Holocaust Forum in 2020. > "Hitler was not only a mass murderer, he was a master of deception. He deceived the world about his true intentions, and ultimately, his goal was to exterminate the Jewish people." — Benjamin Netanyahu, during a speech at Yad Vashem in 2012. > "For many, Auschwitz is the ultimate symbol of evil. It is certainly that. The tattooed arms of those who passed under its infamous gates, the piles of shoes and eyeglasses seized from the dispossessed in their final moments, the gas chambers and crematoria that turned millions of people into ash, all these bear witness to the horrific depths to which humanity can sink." - Benjamin Netanyahu's speech at the 5th World Holocaust Forum in 2020 I hope every Hitler-apologist and Holocaust-denier says and believes things like that. Compare that to al-Husseini, a key figure worth learning about. He was an Arab leader that stoked anti-Jewish sentiment with religious propaganda about Al-Aqsa Mosque (still going today perpetuated by Hamas), possibly to distract from his corrupt management of religious endowments. Al-Husseini led anti-British and anti-Jewish violence for years. He contributed to what is a key turning point or escalation of the conflict, the Hebron Massacre in 1929. A rumor that Jews planned to take control of the Al-Aqsa Mosque resulted in a violent pogrom against a Jewish community with continuously presence for thousands of years. By the end the mob killed 67 Jews. The rioters attacked homes, horrifically tortured and killed entire families, mutilated, raped, stabbed children, and enacted mass destruction on the Jewish quarter. In many ways it was eerily similar to October 7th. I was shocked when I read about it. There were some noble people that saved lives from the hundreds. One Arab man literally rode in on a white horse to protect some defenseless people. What did al-Husseni say about the riot? > "The massacre in Hebron was the result of a natural and justified reaction to the growing presence of Jews in Palestine. The Jews were responsible for the violence that broke out." He blamed the victims. > "Palestine is the land of the Arabs, and it will remain so. The Zionist movement is an illegal act and must be opposed by all means, including violence." He advocated for violence. > "The Jews have no place in Palestine and should leave." al-Husseini had very close ties with Nazis. He broadcast Nazi propaganda over Arab radio from Berlin, urged Muslim and Arab populations to support Nazi efforts, and echoed their antisemitic ideology. He openly called for the destruction of Jewish communities in the Middle East. He helped recruit Muslim soldiers for the Waffen-SS, which is considered among the worst of the Nazi forces in terms of atrocities and war crimes. And Abbas? An actual Holocaust denier and revisionist? > "The Zionist movement cooperated with the Nazis in persecuting the Jews, and this is a well-known fact.” — Mahmood Abbas, 1982 in his PhD thesis "The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism." > "The number of Jews killed during the Holocaust is exaggerated." — Mahmood Abbas, 2018 These are some examples of what Holocaust denial and revisionism typically sound like.
    - hjkl0 7mo ago
      > I hope every Hitler-apologist and Holocaust-denier says and believes things like that. You’re right - he’s only a Hitler apologist and holocaust denier when it suits him. He’s not consistent about it. He’ll tell this story to demonize current-day Palestinians and justify the violence done daily to them. He doesn’t just “advocate” for violence, he personally directs it, and he tells stories like this to make of worse. He tells the other stories you mentioned to capitalize Jewish victimhood, silence critics, and distract from Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians, which have nothing to do with any of this. > These are some examples of what Holocaust denial and revisionism typically sound like. Not really. Both quotes from Abbas are very tame. They make him about as much a holocaust denier as Bibi is. At any rate, they don’t make him or the Palestinian people any less of a partner for peace. And even mentioning Abbas’ views on the holocaust, in the context of the subjugation, persecution and extermination of his own people for over a decade, is so incredibly cynical and cruel and pathetic, it should tell you everything you need to know about Israel’s position in the conflict.
    - donkeybeer 7mo ago
      Here's a funny video to watch https://youtu.be/f9HmkRYlVZw https://youtu.be/f9HmkRYlVZw
throw310822 7mo ago
It's pointless to engage with the argument that one party didn't think it was offered enough so it's right for the other party to offer even less. In never made any sense and it's just one of the myriad rhetorical tricks to twist, muddle and subvert the discussion.
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- nailer 7mo ago
  Here is Bill Clinton know what the Palestinians were offered: https://x.com/itscarterhughes/status/2033758202685268373?s=46 https://x.com/itscarterhughes/status/2033758202685268373?s=4...
  - throw310822 7mo ago
    Then you didn't understand. Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders and Jerusalem East as a capital, as it's proven by the fact that they are forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day. But Clinton is of course lying as well as disparaging a whole people with racist remarks.
    - nailer 7mo ago
      > Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders I don’t know what you mean. Palestinians should agree to accept a deal. > forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day. No. Arabs in Israel have more rights than in any Arab country. Apartheid is illegal under Israeli law. You clearly have very little knowledge of Israel. Arabs in Hamas and Hezbollah areas have bad lives because of their governments. > Clinton’s racist remarks Palestinian is a political identity created in the sixties. Racially these people identify as Arabs, just like the arabs inside Israel. That’s why they chant for “Palestine will be arab”. People should know that as a minimum to participate in any discussion of the middle east.
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nailer 7mo ago
> Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. Have you researched what he says in Arabic, rather then English? In a 2014 interview on Egyptian TV (Arabic), Abbas stated he would never recognize Israel as a Jewish state and could not "close the door" to "refugees" wishing to return. He's also insane: in 2023 at the UN (in a speech with Arabic elements echoed domestically), he denied proof of Jewish ties to Al-Aqsa/Temple Mount and accused Israel of lies akin to Goebbels propaganda. In April 2025, during a PLO Central Council meeting in Ramallah (televised in Arabic), he claimed the Quran places the Jewish Temples in Yemen, not Jerusalem.

jon_adler 7mo ago

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hjkl0 7mo ago
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- this2shallPass 7mo ago
  > "Hitler did not kill the Jews because of their religion; he killed them because they were Jews. And we must remember that, because there are those who would do the same today if they could." — Benjamin Netanyahu, speaking at the World Holocaust Forum in 2020. > "Hitler was not only a mass murderer, he was a master of deception. He deceived the world about his true intentions, and ultimately, his goal was to exterminate the Jewish people." — Benjamin Netanyahu, during a speech at Yad Vashem in 2012. > "For many, Auschwitz is the ultimate symbol of evil. It is certainly that. The tattooed arms of those who passed under its infamous gates, the piles of shoes and eyeglasses seized from the dispossessed in their final moments, the gas chambers and crematoria that turned millions of people into ash, all these bear witness to the horrific depths to which humanity can sink." - Benjamin Netanyahu's speech at the 5th World Holocaust Forum in 2020 I hope every Hitler-apologist and Holocaust-denier says and believes things like that. Compare that to al-Husseini, a key figure worth learning about. He was an Arab leader that stoked anti-Jewish sentiment with religious propaganda about Al-Aqsa Mosque (still going today perpetuated by Hamas), possibly to distract from his corrupt management of religious endowments. Al-Husseini led anti-British and anti-Jewish violence for years. He contributed to what is a key turning point or escalation of the conflict, the Hebron Massacre in 1929. A rumor that Jews planned to take control of the Al-Aqsa Mosque resulted in a violent pogrom against a Jewish community with continuously presence for thousands of years. By the end the mob killed 67 Jews. The rioters attacked homes, horrifically tortured and killed entire families, mutilated, raped, stabbed children, and enacted mass destruction on the Jewish quarter. In many ways it was eerily similar to October 7th. I was shocked when I read about it. There were some noble people that saved lives from the hundreds. One Arab man literally rode in on a white horse to protect some defenseless people. What did al-Husseni say about the riot? > "The massacre in Hebron was the result of a natural and justified reaction to the growing presence of Jews in Palestine. The Jews were responsible for the violence that broke out." He blamed the victims. > "Palestine is the land of the Arabs, and it will remain so. The Zionist movement is an illegal act and must be opposed by all means, including violence." He advocated for violence. > "The Jews have no place in Palestine and should leave." al-Husseini had very close ties with Nazis. He broadcast Nazi propaganda over Arab radio from Berlin, urged Muslim and Arab populations to support Nazi efforts, and echoed their antisemitic ideology. He openly called for the destruction of Jewish communities in the Middle East. He helped recruit Muslim soldiers for the Waffen-SS, which is considered among the worst of the Nazi forces in terms of atrocities and war crimes. And Abbas? An actual Holocaust denier and revisionist? > "The Zionist movement cooperated with the Nazis in persecuting the Jews, and this is a well-known fact.” — Mahmood Abbas, 1982 in his PhD thesis "The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism." > "The number of Jews killed during the Holocaust is exaggerated." — Mahmood Abbas, 2018 These are some examples of what Holocaust denial and revisionism typically sound like.
  - hjkl0 7mo ago
    > I hope every Hitler-apologist and Holocaust-denier says and believes things like that. You’re right - he’s only a Hitler apologist and holocaust denier when it suits him. He’s not consistent about it. He’ll tell this story to demonize current-day Palestinians and justify the violence done daily to them. He doesn’t just “advocate” for violence, he personally directs it, and he tells stories like this to make of worse. He tells the other stories you mentioned to capitalize Jewish victimhood, silence critics, and distract from Israel’s crimes against the Palestinians, which have nothing to do with any of this. > These are some examples of what Holocaust denial and revisionism typically sound like. Not really. Both quotes from Abbas are very tame. They make him about as much a holocaust denier as Bibi is. At any rate, they don’t make him or the Palestinian people any less of a partner for peace. And even mentioning Abbas’ views on the holocaust, in the context of the subjugation, persecution and extermination of his own people for over a decade, is so incredibly cynical and cruel and pathetic, it should tell you everything you need to know about Israel’s position in the conflict.
  - donkeybeer 7mo ago
    Here's a funny video to watch https://youtu.be/f9HmkRYlVZw https://youtu.be/f9HmkRYlVZw

throw310822 7mo ago

It's pointless to engage with the argument that one party didn't think it was offered enough so it's right for the other party to offer even less. In never made any sense and it's just one of the myriad rhetorical tricks to twist, muddle and subvert the discussion.

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nailer 7mo ago
Here is Bill Clinton know what the Palestinians were offered: https://x.com/itscarterhughes/status/2033758202685268373?s=46 https://x.com/itscarterhughes/status/2033758202685268373?s=4...
- throw310822 7mo ago
  Then you didn't understand. Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders and Jerusalem East as a capital, as it's proven by the fact that they are forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day. But Clinton is of course lying as well as disparaging a whole people with racist remarks.
  - nailer 7mo ago
    > Palestinians can be forced to accept a state with the 1967 borders I don’t know what you mean. Palestinians should agree to accept a deal. > forced to accept occupation and apartheid every single day. No. Arabs in Israel have more rights than in any Arab country. Apartheid is illegal under Israeli law. You clearly have very little knowledge of Israel. Arabs in Hamas and Hezbollah areas have bad lives because of their governments. > Clinton’s racist remarks Palestinian is a political identity created in the sixties. Racially these people identify as Arabs, just like the arabs inside Israel. That’s why they chant for “Palestine will be arab”. People should know that as a minimum to participate in any discussion of the middle east.
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nailer 7mo ago

> Abbas wants a Palestinian state beside Israel. Have you researched what he says in Arabic, rather then English? In a 2014 interview on Egyptian TV (Arabic), Abbas stated he would never recognize Israel as a Jewish state and could not "close the door" to "refugees" wishing to return. He's also insane: in 2023 at the UN (in a speech with Arabic elements echoed domestically), he denied proof of Jewish ties to Al-Aqsa/Temple Mount and accused Israel of lies akin to Goebbels propaganda. In April 2025, during a PLO Central Council meeting in Ramallah (televised in Arabic), he claimed the Quran places the Jewish Temples in Yemen, not Jerusalem.