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If I worked at [supposedly evil company], I doubt this largely unverifiable story would cause much turmoil. I'm sure at work I'd be hearing about much worse an
by 0x3f 7mo ago
If I worked at [supposedly evil company], I doubt this largely unverifiable story would cause much turmoil. I'm sure at work I'd be hearing about much worse and more concrete stuff already.
- JohnMakin 7mo ago> largely unverifiable story there’s literally pictures in the article of the bodies
- richwater 7mo agoA photo of some people being buried doesn't confirm or deny the validity of the claim as to how they were killed. I have no dog in this fight, but sources actually provide evidence.
- JohnMakin 7mo agoThis is a journalistic article that does provide multiple sources of evidence - including multiple sources of eyewitness testimony, the facts of what happened to the car/damage to the bodies, what the IDF says happened, and the non-response by the IDF to the evidence presented here - what other evidence could possibly meet your bar here? This doesn't seem like a good faith discussion by people that informed themselves on what this piece is saying, so I'm bowing out. Have a good one.
- 0x3f 7mo agoMerely that someone died seems to be a tiny fraction of the claims here.
- JohnMakin 7mo agoThe claim is that the IDF shot his family. Even the IDF does not dispute this. What are you thinking this article is saying?
- 0x3f 7mo agoI'm not sure the IDF has confirmed who was killed, but even so the article goes much further than that. That it was a bad shoot, that the car was stationary, that no warnings were given, that the family did nothing to prompt it, that the IDF weren't legitimately mistaken, that the kid's injury is from the incident, that this kid was even there, that they spent 50+ rounds, that the kid who died has special needs. And more. You can literally just read the article and extract the facts. Those are uncomfirmed save by anecdote.
- JohnMakin 7mo agoLiterally read it, thanks. Glad you did too. Your original post said “unverifiable story” which seemed like the basic facts of the matter could be determined by reading said article and making inferences based on the sources provide. I trust you performed such dilligence.
- 0x3f 7mo agoThe only agreed upon basic facts by both sides are that someone has died at the hands of the IDF. The rest (i.e. what makes up most of the claims) is pure anecdote and thus, unverifiable. I'm not sure what the issue is with saying as much.
- mlazos 7mo agoBro nothing is verifiable, you have to make a call in the end or you can just sit here and be like “oh but what about the speck of sand on the body, GOTCHA”. I used to be like you trying to poke holes in every little thing, but 1 it’s annoying to everyone and 2 you have to eventually take a stance other than “every stance is wrong” your mystical perfectly evidenced war crime is never going to exist, congrats! What do you think actually happened here? The article cites plenty of evidence, eyewitness testimony, make the call. The IDF themselves said they killed them. It’s a family, what do you think justifies that?
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- bhouston 7mo agoIt is a verifiable story, it is covered as fact in Israeli newspapers and it includes verification by the IDF: https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-palestinian-couple-2-children-police-say-car-sped-at-troops/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-forces-kill-west-bank-... https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs https://www.ynetnews.com/article/p7mq5k5bs
- 0x3f 7mo agoVerification _of what_ though? The OP article makes a lot of claims. Your own link says the car was a legit target for 'speeding at' troops, which completely opposes much of the BBC article.
- bhouston 7mo agoJust because the IDF issued its "justification" doesn't mean it is. As we know from Gaza, there is always a justification. Here is a good description from the New York Times: "Ali Bani Odeh’s wife and four young boys hadn’t seen him in a month and a half when he came home to Tammun, in the West Bank, from his construction job in Israel late on Friday to spend the last few days of Ramadan with his family. On Saturday night, the boys persuaded him to take them out for a drive. Eid al-Fitr, the end of Ramadan, was coming, so there were new clothes to buy. The day’s fast had been broken, so there were sweets to be had, too. They picked up fried doughnut holes in Tubas, saving them for later, but the clothing shop they went to in Nablus was closed. It was already past midnight, so they headed back to Tammun: Khaled, 11, the oldest, in the back with Mustafa, 8, and Muhammad, 5. Othman, 6, blind and incapable of walking or feeding himself, was in his mother’s lap in front. As they rounded a corner slowly, a few minutes from home, young Khaled and Mustafa recounted on Sunday, their mother, Waad, 35, asked her husband to pull over and take Othman from her so she could get something from her bag on the floor. Suddenly, the boys said, they saw laser pointers shining on their family from every direction, heard their mother scream, heard their father say “God is great” — and then heard a deafening fusillade of gunfire." https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/15/world/middleeast/palestinian-family-killed-west-bank.html https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/15/world/middleeast/palestin...
- kshacker 7mo agoWe (and I) have become desensitized. When I saw one of these for the first time about 25 years ago, I was thinking about it for a week. Maybe longer. Because it was new, internet was new, and the video (not the same but it really does not matter) was the first time I saw it for ... real, felt it for real. But after seeing a 100 of these, after knowing some of these are AI, after seeing news of a 1000 more ... I mean how is columbine or sandy hook different ... you see these but you eventually scroll up, sometimes immediately sometimes after a few seconds. I am not making light of it just saying ... a lot of people at evil companies are also tuned out.
- 0x3f 7mo agoWell, it's also compartmentalized isn't it. It's happening remotely, even if you're buliding the targetting systems or something like that. It's still all abstracted. And as sympathetic as I might be otherwise, everyone is prone to dramatization and histrionics, which has a numbing tendency too. On both sides.
- kshacker 7mo agoYes that's the other part. Suppose I build a high performance on-device caching solution that allows computes on a drone to run 10X faster ... I am not really thinking about the drone, just the caching solution PS: I have no knowledge of drones or caching solutions. Just saying.
- adamhartenz 7mo agoDIfferent people have different levels of empathy. If you can live with these things happening in the world, let along being involved even in an extremely minor way then fine, but don't try and downplay it.
- 0x3f 7mo agoI think it's naive to think that things aren't overplayed or dramatized whenever I read such an article, from whatever PoV. So it can only ever be _at most_ as bad as the article claims. Then it's only natural to downplay.
- Daishiman 7mo agoWhat's naive is to think that this is overplayed when the same events are happening day and day out after Israeli settles continue campaigns of ethnic cleansing in the West Bank. This is just _one_ representative story of dozens that happen every day as reported by many NGOs. This one was merely made viral.
- 0x3f 7mo agoSorry, I just don't buy the coached words of a 12 year old as categorically truthful. If anything, ethnic cleansing would be a more statistical and thus verifiable claim than the literal anecdote of a child.
- Daishiman 7mo agoReally interesting that out of all the testimonials coming out from Gaza and the West Bank that repeat observable, recorded events over and over again, by people in all sides of the conflict, that you selective choose skepticism about this one as if Hind Rajab didn´t happen.
- 0x3f 7mo agoI selectively chose skepticism about... the specific article we are on a thread talking about