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> by top skilled immigration who are mostly from countries where education is > leaning more to memorization

thundergolfer 8mo ago
There’s a potential irony here that a commenter lamenting the decline of education in the West is leaning on the “critical thinking over memorization” trope in contemporary Western education, when that trope has contributed to a decline in educational effectiveness. The massive success of information retrieval allowed people to trick themselves that they no longer needed to remember things, and remember them easily. They should instead turn focus on critical thinking. But critical thinking is knowledge based. At least, I buy E. D Hirch’s argument that it is.
- raincole 8mo ago
  Believe or not, if you look at Zhihu[0] you'll see a lot of people glazing Western education system. Grass is always greener on the other side of Pacific. [0]: China's Quora equivalent, but much better than Quora
  - xp84 8mo ago
    I think both viewpoints can be right. Chinese people come here, study engineering, chemistry, pharma, computer science, etc. and then graduate and then they invent and make insanely cool things. Meanwhile at the same schools, so many Americans major in things like the various identity “____ studies,” fake sciences like psychology, etc. They graduate from college with potentially less useful skills or knowledge than could have been gained by watching a few (non-AI) YouTube videos a day. We’ve turned half or more of our educational system into babysitting and self-esteem therapy for a generation we’ve raised to be incredibly anxious and fragile.
- alecco 8mo ago
  Memorizing is not understanding. You can see this clearly with LLMs trying to predict outside their training data. Yes, memorization is important. What I argue it's pushing out truly understanding and critical thinking. Kids need trial and error from experimentation (play).
- swid 8mo ago
  This argument is also explored by the “Quantum Computing for the Very Curious” series that uses spaced repetition to teach an advanced topic. The series has been posted to HN more than once. I also find it convincing.
yoyohello13 8mo ago
The trend of discounting memorization is damaging. Memorization is an incredible tool for learning.

There’s a potential irony here that a commenter lamenting the decline of education in the West is leaning on the “critical thinking over memorization” trope in contemporary Western education, when that trope has contributed to a decline in educational effectiveness. The massive success of information retrieval allowed people to trick themselves that they no longer needed to remember things, and remember them easily. They should instead turn focus on critical thinking. But critical thinking is knowledge based. At least, I buy E. D Hirch’s argument that it is.

raincole 8mo ago
Believe or not, if you look at Zhihu[0] you'll see a lot of people glazing Western education system. Grass is always greener on the other side of Pacific. [0]: China's Quora equivalent, but much better than Quora
- xp84 8mo ago
  I think both viewpoints can be right. Chinese people come here, study engineering, chemistry, pharma, computer science, etc. and then graduate and then they invent and make insanely cool things. Meanwhile at the same schools, so many Americans major in things like the various identity “____ studies,” fake sciences like psychology, etc. They graduate from college with potentially less useful skills or knowledge than could have been gained by watching a few (non-AI) YouTube videos a day. We’ve turned half or more of our educational system into babysitting and self-esteem therapy for a generation we’ve raised to be incredibly anxious and fragile.
alecco 8mo ago
Memorizing is not understanding. You can see this clearly with LLMs trying to predict outside their training data. Yes, memorization is important. What I argue it's pushing out truly understanding and critical thinking. Kids need trial and error from experimentation (play).
swid 8mo ago
This argument is also explored by the “Quantum Computing for the Very Curious” series that uses spaced repetition to teach an advanced topic. The series has been posted to HN more than once. I also find it convincing.

yoyohello13 8mo ago

The trend of discounting memorization is damaging. Memorization is an incredible tool for learning.