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"The Pentagon has released a modernization plan for Stars and Stripes that affirms the publication’s independence while expanding Defense Department oversight,

"The Pentagon has released a modernization plan for Stars and Stripes that affirms the publication’s independence while expanding Defense Department oversight, introducing new restrictions on content" Seems like this sentence contains contradictory statements.

rogerkirkness 8mo ago
I assume it means changing governance policies while letting them continue to make their own decisions within that framework.
- halestock 8mo ago
  It doesn’t.
- mpalmer 8mo ago
  [flagged]
  - Waterluvian 8mo ago
    When it comes to “simplest and most likely explanation,” the bad faith assumption is now the leading choice with the current regime.
  - kjksf 8mo ago
    [flagged]
    - enoint 8mo ago
      The GP comment mentions policy. I think you’re downvoted for trying to grow the scope to include all of Trump’s poems, homilies, and philosophical musings.
    - terribleperson 8mo ago
      This is pretty obviously one more step in an effort to make sure that all coverage of U.S. military actions is positive and under the control of the administration. It's also part of a more recent push to make sure that Iran war coverage is positive. See the head of the FCC threatening to revoke broadcast licenses over Iran war coverage.
    - nutjob2 8mo ago
      Although you're being sarcastic, that is actually is a pretty fair description, on current evidence.
    - mpalmer 8mo ago
      This person's ridiculous comment is a fantastic example of bad faith. Whataboutism, putting words in my mouth, and a singularly irritating (willful?) ignorance of current events. The person who posted this is perhaps not already aware of: - The FCC chair Brandon Carr threatening broadcasters to cover the war correctly, or else lose their "license" - Federal judges repeatedly calling out the admin for ignoring court orders, bypassing regulation, and arbitrarily prosecuting political enemies (Jerome Powell being only the latest failed attempt) - Hegseth saying he can't wait for David Ellison to take over CNN so the coverage improves If they were aware of these things, I would expect them to recognize a LITTLE significance in the removal of a commitment to 1A principles from a publication owned by the government.
      - lovich 8mo ago
        They’re aware but it won’t matter. For all their accusations of TDS everyone on this forum can clearly see how deranged they are. It’s a cult and you’re seeing the adherents act like cultists here.
        mpalmer 7mo ago
        Indeed. I was trying set an example of what good faith looks like, but not for their benefit.
    - e584 8mo ago
      [dead]
    - estearum 8mo ago
      Aloofness is not the intellectual asset that you think it is
- roysting 8mo ago
  Precisely. It’s the same methodology used to suppress speech and thought through social media where the terms of service and social media guidelines are used to create a micromanaged framework of approved speech and thought that just happens to align with what one particulate group or another controls. The next layer of this control harness is to neutralize the Constitution in America that protects inalienable rights, is the “freedoms of speech (within paternalistic approved boundaries), but not freedom of reach” mentality of, “sure, say all you want, but you won’t even be allowed or able to see that we put you in a digital speech dungeon.” We are essentially allowing and creating an analog to the very sadistic and evil conditions imposed by the ruling aristocratic class of the past and the hidden hand that ruled your life as non-nobility. You get thrown in digital dungeons with no recourse or rights. You are beaten and abused for you thought and speech. You have no right or ability to defend yourself from the torments and abuses of the ruling psychopaths, etc. That is why freedom of speech is so important, because the sick and depraved ruling class people cannot stand even the ability of people to talk about the abuses they perpetrate against them. It’s typical abusive patterns of truly awful people that are the enemies of all of the rest of humanity.
  - philistine 7mo ago
    Your point of view is nonsensical. Where do you believe that you are entitled to a platform? Can you force a publisher to publish your book?
esafak 8mo ago
Debasing language is the way of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink
- Waterluvian 8mo ago
  “Disembowling” was correct. You had it right before. (:
  - esafak 8mo ago
    I prefer to use least violent imagery necessary to communicate the point.
    - egberts1 7mo ago
      Like in Old Dominiom Jihadist incident, after had stabbed a professor in a classroom full of highly-trained cadet students, got himself stabbed 22 times, broke 9 of his ribs, breath withheld, turned his head 180-degrees and broke his neck before committing suicide?
throw0101c 8mo ago
> Seems like this sentence contains contradictory statements. "War is peace." "Freedom is slavery."
- shevy-java 8mo ago
  Trump kind of follows it - he declared his war against Iran over about 10 tims already. The book 1984 was written in 1948 (easy to remember). Kind of interesting to see that it also fits to the lame strategies pursued by Trump. The "flood the zone with shit" is an older copy/paste strategy of the KGB (as explained in the 1980s by Yuri, though he did not compare it to the flood-the-zone part, but it is virtually identical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apDnRRSOCk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apDnRRSOCk; though perhaps even that strategy is older, the chinese have numerous stratagems that are ancient).
  - wat10000 8mo ago
    Once, when asked about arming teachers in school, Trump gave a brief answer that went, we should, but we shouldn’t, but we should, but we shouldn’t. Four contradictory answers to a binary question in one sentence. The guy doesn’t even lie. He’s a reality TV actor working without a script. He says whatever he thinks will get ratings, and if he’s not sure then he’ll try different things and see what sticks. It will never cease to baffle me that so many people saw this behavior and said, that’s leadership material.
    - kjksf 8mo ago
      [flagged]
      - wat10000 8mo ago
        Corolla demanded answers to complicated sociological questions. Newsome’s response was weak but I don’t see how that’s deflection. The question doesn’t matter to the topic being discussed. It’s an obvious gotcha question from an interviewer who just wants to make a ruckus. I don’t know why a professional politician can’t handle that, but bad handling of a stupid gotcha question is very different from contradicting yourself four times in ten seconds when asked a straightforward question about your own opinion. This concept of “TDS” confuses me. Trump is a terrible person and a terrible president. Why wouldn’t I be Deranged about him? Thinking badly of him isn’t a Syndrome, it’s a natural consequence of the fact that he’s awful and he has way too much power over my life.
bryanrasmussen 8mo ago
I think the sentence just contains very laid back observations of hypocrisy. "affirms the publication's independence" = Says it's independent. "expanding Defense Department oversight, introducing new restrictions" = makes it non-independent. Conclusion: The sentence indicates the policy is hypocritical and built on lies. The sentence is not contradictory, the policy is.
- bbor 8mo ago
  Well put, totally agree! The key word here is “affirms”. Here, watch; I hereby affirm that I am god incarnate, that I have no flaws, and that every unit test I’ve ever written has passed on the first try. It cannot be denied that I affirmed that!
oliwarner 8mo ago
"You're absolutely completely free to write exactly what we tell you to"
hulitu 7mo ago
> Seems like this sentence contains contradictory statements It is normal newspeak [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak

rogerkirkness 8mo ago

I assume it means changing governance policies while letting them continue to make their own decisions within that framework.

halestock 8mo ago
It doesn’t.
mpalmer 8mo ago
[flagged]
- Waterluvian 8mo ago
  When it comes to “simplest and most likely explanation,” the bad faith assumption is now the leading choice with the current regime.
- kjksf 8mo ago
  [flagged]
  - enoint 8mo ago
    The GP comment mentions policy. I think you’re downvoted for trying to grow the scope to include all of Trump’s poems, homilies, and philosophical musings.
  - terribleperson 8mo ago
    This is pretty obviously one more step in an effort to make sure that all coverage of U.S. military actions is positive and under the control of the administration. It's also part of a more recent push to make sure that Iran war coverage is positive. See the head of the FCC threatening to revoke broadcast licenses over Iran war coverage.
  - nutjob2 8mo ago
    Although you're being sarcastic, that is actually is a pretty fair description, on current evidence.
  - mpalmer 8mo ago
    This person's ridiculous comment is a fantastic example of bad faith. Whataboutism, putting words in my mouth, and a singularly irritating (willful?) ignorance of current events. The person who posted this is perhaps not already aware of: - The FCC chair Brandon Carr threatening broadcasters to cover the war correctly, or else lose their "license" - Federal judges repeatedly calling out the admin for ignoring court orders, bypassing regulation, and arbitrarily prosecuting political enemies (Jerome Powell being only the latest failed attempt) - Hegseth saying he can't wait for David Ellison to take over CNN so the coverage improves If they were aware of these things, I would expect them to recognize a LITTLE significance in the removal of a commitment to 1A principles from a publication owned by the government.
    - lovich 8mo ago
      They’re aware but it won’t matter. For all their accusations of TDS everyone on this forum can clearly see how deranged they are. It’s a cult and you’re seeing the adherents act like cultists here.
      - mpalmer 7mo ago
        Indeed. I was trying set an example of what good faith looks like, but not for their benefit.
  - e584 8mo ago
    [dead]
  - estearum 8mo ago
    Aloofness is not the intellectual asset that you think it is
roysting 8mo ago
Precisely. It’s the same methodology used to suppress speech and thought through social media where the terms of service and social media guidelines are used to create a micromanaged framework of approved speech and thought that just happens to align with what one particulate group or another controls. The next layer of this control harness is to neutralize the Constitution in America that protects inalienable rights, is the “freedoms of speech (within paternalistic approved boundaries), but not freedom of reach” mentality of, “sure, say all you want, but you won’t even be allowed or able to see that we put you in a digital speech dungeon.” We are essentially allowing and creating an analog to the very sadistic and evil conditions imposed by the ruling aristocratic class of the past and the hidden hand that ruled your life as non-nobility. You get thrown in digital dungeons with no recourse or rights. You are beaten and abused for you thought and speech. You have no right or ability to defend yourself from the torments and abuses of the ruling psychopaths, etc. That is why freedom of speech is so important, because the sick and depraved ruling class people cannot stand even the ability of people to talk about the abuses they perpetrate against them. It’s typical abusive patterns of truly awful people that are the enemies of all of the rest of humanity.
- philistine 7mo ago
  Your point of view is nonsensical. Where do you believe that you are entitled to a platform? Can you force a publisher to publish your book?

esafak 8mo ago

Debasing language is the way of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

Waterluvian 8mo ago
“Disembowling” was correct. You had it right before. (:
- esafak 8mo ago
  I prefer to use least violent imagery necessary to communicate the point.
  - egberts1 7mo ago
    Like in Old Dominiom Jihadist incident, after had stabbed a professor in a classroom full of highly-trained cadet students, got himself stabbed 22 times, broke 9 of his ribs, breath withheld, turned his head 180-degrees and broke his neck before committing suicide?

throw0101c 8mo ago

> Seems like this sentence contains contradictory statements. "War is peace." "Freedom is slavery."

shevy-java 8mo ago
Trump kind of follows it - he declared his war against Iran over about 10 tims already. The book 1984 was written in 1948 (easy to remember). Kind of interesting to see that it also fits to the lame strategies pursued by Trump. The "flood the zone with shit" is an older copy/paste strategy of the KGB (as explained in the 1980s by Yuri, though he did not compare it to the flood-the-zone part, but it is virtually identical https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apDnRRSOCk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9apDnRRSOCk; though perhaps even that strategy is older, the chinese have numerous stratagems that are ancient).
- wat10000 8mo ago
  Once, when asked about arming teachers in school, Trump gave a brief answer that went, we should, but we shouldn’t, but we should, but we shouldn’t. Four contradictory answers to a binary question in one sentence. The guy doesn’t even lie. He’s a reality TV actor working without a script. He says whatever he thinks will get ratings, and if he’s not sure then he’ll try different things and see what sticks. It will never cease to baffle me that so many people saw this behavior and said, that’s leadership material.
  - kjksf 8mo ago
    [flagged]
    - wat10000 8mo ago
      Corolla demanded answers to complicated sociological questions. Newsome’s response was weak but I don’t see how that’s deflection. The question doesn’t matter to the topic being discussed. It’s an obvious gotcha question from an interviewer who just wants to make a ruckus. I don’t know why a professional politician can’t handle that, but bad handling of a stupid gotcha question is very different from contradicting yourself four times in ten seconds when asked a straightforward question about your own opinion. This concept of “TDS” confuses me. Trump is a terrible person and a terrible president. Why wouldn’t I be Deranged about him? Thinking badly of him isn’t a Syndrome, it’s a natural consequence of the fact that he’s awful and he has way too much power over my life.

bryanrasmussen 8mo ago

I think the sentence just contains very laid back observations of hypocrisy. "affirms the publication's independence" = Says it's independent. "expanding Defense Department oversight, introducing new restrictions" = makes it non-independent. Conclusion: The sentence indicates the policy is hypocritical and built on lies. The sentence is not contradictory, the policy is.

bbor 8mo ago
Well put, totally agree! The key word here is “affirms”. Here, watch; I hereby affirm that I am god incarnate, that I have no flaws, and that every unit test I’ve ever written has passed on the first try. It cannot be denied that I affirmed that!

oliwarner 8mo ago

"You're absolutely completely free to write exactly what we tell you to"

hulitu 7mo ago

> Seems like this sentence contains contradictory statements It is normal newspeak [1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak