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>It's quite literally impossible to cheat anymore (in a way that disturbs normal players for more than a few games) AKA the way that is easiest to detect, and

>It's quite literally impossible to cheat anymore (in a way that disturbs normal players for more than a few games) AKA the way that is easiest to detect, and the easiest way to claim that the game doesn't have cheaters. Behavioral analysis doesn't work with closet cheaters, and they corrupt the community and damage the game in much subtler ways. There's nothing worse than to know that the player you've competed with all this time had a slight advantage from the start.

himata4113 8mo ago
Overwatch has made the decision that closest cheaters are not a problem and have actually protected a cheater in contenders, although they were forced to leave the competitive scene. None of it ever became public.
- maccard 8mo ago
  How do you know if none of it went public?
  - JasonADrury 8mo ago
    Every other competitive game regularly has public cases of cheaters being caught in pro games, overwatch doesn't.
    - Xunjin 8mo ago
      Wait... Your proof that something has happened is that there is no proof?
      - JasonADrury 7mo ago
        Do you really think that's not sufficient for the purposes of this conversation?
        maccard 7mo ago
        Absolutely not. Making wildly speculative claims and saying that the lack of proof of it not happening is conspiracy theory territory
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        Why do you think this claim is "wildly" speculative as opposed to merely speculative? We have two possible options here, it's pretty obvious which is the more likely one. It is pretty ridiculous to suggest that nobody has ever been caught cheating in overwatch pro games.
        Xunjin 7mo ago
        Again, you are missing the point, just because something is "likely" to happen doesn't mean it did happen. What you are basically asking is that we should provide a "negative proof", imagine me going through all the pro matches to prove my point that it did not happen (going in this extreme) when you can just show me a proof that it did happen.
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        It's you who's missing the point. You're engaging in ridiculous pedantry over whether or not people cheat in a very popular video game, take a break. The reality is that it really couldn't matter less whether or not anyone has ever cheated in overwatch pro games, but we can pretty safely assume that somebody has. Is this a topic that genuinely calls for greater precision than this? What's the benefit?
        maccard 7mo ago
        > you’re engaging in ridiculous pedantry over whether or not people cheat in a very popular video game No, it’s abundantly clear that people cheat. We’re calling the GP comment out for claiming that overwatch turns a blind eye to cheaters and have ignored cheating in competitions. > take a break You’re the only person of the three of us getting very very worked up about it. > is this a topic that genuinely calls for greater precision than this? What’s the benefit Yes. It’s about the integrity of the discussion. There’s no point in being here if we can just post nonsense and have it accepted as truth.
  - himata4113 8mo ago
    Word of mouth, but if you looked at their twitter and proof presented it was undeniable. If you want to go digging check a french contenders player that there are videos of with an instance of where the aimbot bugged out and started aiming directly at the center of a player with perfect reaction time and movements.
  - PUSH_AX 8mo ago
    “Trust me bro”
szmarczak 8mo ago
In CS2, the game renders your enemies even though you can't see them (within some close range). The draw calls are theoretically interceptable (either on the software/firmware or other hardware level). Detecting this is essentially impossible because the game trusts that the GPU will render correctly.
- chii 8mo ago
  if you cheated with wallhacks, post-game analysis can detect it. And it is possible to silently put you into a cheating game match maker, so that you only ever match with other cheaters. This, to me, is prob. the better outcome than outright banning (which means the cheater just comes back with a new account). Silently moving them to a cheater queue is a good way to slow them down, as well as isolate them.
  - szmarczak 8mo ago
    > post-game analysis can detect it. Not with 100% accuracy. This means some legitimate players would be qualified as potentially cheating. You don't have to play with wallhacks constantly on, you can toggle. And it doesn't detect cases where you're camping with an AWP and have 150ms response time instead of 200ms. Sometimes people are just having a good day. > cheating game match maker This is already a thing. In CS2, you have a Trust Factor. The lower your trust factor is, the bigger the chance you will be queued with/against cheaters.
    - xorgun 7mo ago
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himata4113 8mo ago

Overwatch has made the decision that closest cheaters are not a problem and have actually protected a cheater in contenders, although they were forced to leave the competitive scene. None of it ever became public.

maccard 8mo ago
How do you know if none of it went public?
- JasonADrury 8mo ago
  Every other competitive game regularly has public cases of cheaters being caught in pro games, overwatch doesn't.
  - Xunjin 8mo ago
    Wait... Your proof that something has happened is that there is no proof?
    - JasonADrury 7mo ago
      Do you really think that's not sufficient for the purposes of this conversation?
      - maccard 7mo ago
        Absolutely not. Making wildly speculative claims and saying that the lack of proof of it not happening is conspiracy theory territory
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        Why do you think this claim is "wildly" speculative as opposed to merely speculative? We have two possible options here, it's pretty obvious which is the more likely one. It is pretty ridiculous to suggest that nobody has ever been caught cheating in overwatch pro games.
        Xunjin 7mo ago
        Again, you are missing the point, just because something is "likely" to happen doesn't mean it did happen. What you are basically asking is that we should provide a "negative proof", imagine me going through all the pro matches to prove my point that it did not happen (going in this extreme) when you can just show me a proof that it did happen.
        JasonADrury 7mo ago
        It's you who's missing the point. You're engaging in ridiculous pedantry over whether or not people cheat in a very popular video game, take a break. The reality is that it really couldn't matter less whether or not anyone has ever cheated in overwatch pro games, but we can pretty safely assume that somebody has. Is this a topic that genuinely calls for greater precision than this? What's the benefit?
        maccard 7mo ago
        > you’re engaging in ridiculous pedantry over whether or not people cheat in a very popular video game No, it’s abundantly clear that people cheat. We’re calling the GP comment out for claiming that overwatch turns a blind eye to cheaters and have ignored cheating in competitions. > take a break You’re the only person of the three of us getting very very worked up about it. > is this a topic that genuinely calls for greater precision than this? What’s the benefit Yes. It’s about the integrity of the discussion. There’s no point in being here if we can just post nonsense and have it accepted as truth.
- himata4113 8mo ago
  Word of mouth, but if you looked at their twitter and proof presented it was undeniable. If you want to go digging check a french contenders player that there are videos of with an instance of where the aimbot bugged out and started aiming directly at the center of a player with perfect reaction time and movements.
- PUSH_AX 8mo ago
  “Trust me bro”

szmarczak 8mo ago

In CS2, the game renders your enemies even though you can't see them (within some close range). The draw calls are theoretically interceptable (either on the software/firmware or other hardware level). Detecting this is essentially impossible because the game trusts that the GPU will render correctly.

chii 8mo ago
if you cheated with wallhacks, post-game analysis can detect it. And it is possible to silently put you into a cheating game match maker, so that you only ever match with other cheaters. This, to me, is prob. the better outcome than outright banning (which means the cheater just comes back with a new account). Silently moving them to a cheater queue is a good way to slow them down, as well as isolate them.
- szmarczak 8mo ago
  > post-game analysis can detect it. Not with 100% accuracy. This means some legitimate players would be qualified as potentially cheating. You don't have to play with wallhacks constantly on, you can toggle. And it doesn't detect cases where you're camping with an AWP and have 150ms response time instead of 200ms. Sometimes people are just having a good day. > cheating game match maker This is already a thing. In CS2, you have a Trust Factor. The lower your trust factor is, the bigger the chance you will be queued with/against cheaters.
  - xorgun 7mo ago
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