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I haven't tried AI DJ, so I can't comment on that, but I find it hard to empathize with the author. Not because the criticism lacks merits, but because there is

I haven't tried AI DJ, so I can't comment on that, but I find it hard to empathize with the author. Not because the criticism lacks merits, but because there is no real attempt to explore the pro/cons of the tech. I see this pattern often with people who complain about AI. They pick a narrow case where it isn't good at and use it to dismiss the whole thing. AI isn't a human, it's going to have its limits. Same thing I saw in AI-assisted coding. People complaining how AI- enabled some XYZ security risk, it's bad, it's crap. This could be true, but why ignore the fact that you create a full blown native Mac app, with a single sentence? That should be good for at least a few things. Right?

qsera 7mo ago
>That should be good for at least a few things. Right? The example you described, no. It is not good because its quality and adherence to the spec (the single sentence) is and will always be probabilistic...
- drdaeman 7mo ago
  > its quality and adherence to the spec (the single sentence) is and will always be probabilistic... Isn’t the same true for a lot of individual programmers and even teams? Especially so if they were provided just a short one-sentence vision instead of proper documentation.
  - qsera 7mo ago
    Oh, I was not comparing it with out-sourced development and was instead comparing it with developing it oneself. Sure, outsourcing is similar, but the difference is one uses a process that is inherently probabilistic and will show up in every result, while other just depends on the probability of you getting a good team.
    - drdaeman 7mo ago
      I suspect the unspoken premise was that it was all in context of people who - just like those who hire contractors - don’t have the capacity to do it themselves. In this context I suspect a SotA LLM could sometimes beat some cost-comparable UpWork professionals in both quality and spec adherence. In other words, if you need an app and can’t do it yourself and have a tight budget, LLMs are quickly becoming a viable option for more and more complex apps (still only simple ones before it produces junk, but progress is pretty appalling)
      - qsera 7mo ago
        >beat some cost-comparable UpWork professionals in both quality and spec adherence... I am not sure I want to keep paying for something that needs some amount of luck on my side, to be useful. Writing elaborate plans for LLMs also feels a bit pointless when there is no hard and fast rule about how much of it will be followed .. Apparently some people appear to be doing it, but I am afraid it is not something that will have a universal appeal..
worksonmine 7mo ago
> This could be true, but why ignore the fact that you create a full blown native Mac app, with a single sentence? I would guess it's for the same reasons that you're ignoring all the fixes necessary to get to an actual "full blown native Mac app". It's rarely a single sentence unless your app does something trivial like printing Hello World.
nottorp 7mo ago
Basically it's because what "AI" can do is extremely different from what "AI evangelists" claim it can do. I haven't seen a single "AI evangelist" address any concerns and limitations, other by than "throw more AI at it" or "it will get better in 5 years, just in time for cold fusion". > you create a full blown native Mac app, with a single sentence Like they created a full blown C compiler that "could compile linux" but in reality didn't pass its own tests? If you constantly cry wolf, no one's going to believe you when the wolf actually comes.
- n2d4 7mo ago
  It's easy to address the limitations of AI by simply not using AI for those. No one forces you to use AI for tasks where its capabilities are limited; regardless, there are plenty of tasks where they aren't. AI is very good at some things and very bad at others. Early on, many thought chess would be one of the last things mastered by computers, but they were wrong. It makes no sense to take the statement "AI is extremely bad at this task compared to humans" and conclude that AI must be useless or a waste of time. In this case, the AI DJ is bad at picking out classical music. Okay, sure, whatever. But that doesn't automatically mean the AI DJ is bad at everything. > Like they created a full blown C compiler that "could compile linux" but in reality didn't pass its own tests? You are strawmanning hard here. Who is "they"? You are putting all "AI evangelists" into the same blob here, and instead of answering the questions at-hand you ignore them and respond in an ad-hominem style by attacking a project that someone else made, completely unrelated to this entire thread. That is not good faith discourse!
  - nottorp 7mo ago
    > Who is "they"? Anthropic IIRC?
    - rhdunn 7mo ago
      Here's the post: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler. It was written by a researcher at Anthropic.
eithed 7mo ago
What a strange take - you dismiss valid criticisms of Spotify product, just to venture off into the land of "well you can create a mac app with one sentence" as if that would matter here.
ErroneousBosh 7mo ago
> This could be true, but why ignore the fact that you create a full blown native Mac app, with a single sentence? Isn't that a bit overblown? I just fired up Copilot in VSCode and typed in "make me a DAW plugin that will inject MIDI control changes into the track output" and it didn't even know where to start.
Copyrightest 7mo ago
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rfw300 7mo ago
I don’t necessarily endorse the author’s broad conclusions about “AI”, but I will say that the Spotify DJ specifically is an enragingly bad product. Nothing close to the utility of Claude Code.

qsera 7mo ago

>That should be good for at least a few things. Right? The example you described, no. It is not good because its quality and adherence to the spec (the single sentence) is and will always be probabilistic...

drdaeman 7mo ago
> its quality and adherence to the spec (the single sentence) is and will always be probabilistic... Isn’t the same true for a lot of individual programmers and even teams? Especially so if they were provided just a short one-sentence vision instead of proper documentation.
- qsera 7mo ago
  Oh, I was not comparing it with out-sourced development and was instead comparing it with developing it oneself. Sure, outsourcing is similar, but the difference is one uses a process that is inherently probabilistic and will show up in every result, while other just depends on the probability of you getting a good team.
  - drdaeman 7mo ago
    I suspect the unspoken premise was that it was all in context of people who - just like those who hire contractors - don’t have the capacity to do it themselves. In this context I suspect a SotA LLM could sometimes beat some cost-comparable UpWork professionals in both quality and spec adherence. In other words, if you need an app and can’t do it yourself and have a tight budget, LLMs are quickly becoming a viable option for more and more complex apps (still only simple ones before it produces junk, but progress is pretty appalling)
    - qsera 7mo ago
      >beat some cost-comparable UpWork professionals in both quality and spec adherence... I am not sure I want to keep paying for something that needs some amount of luck on my side, to be useful. Writing elaborate plans for LLMs also feels a bit pointless when there is no hard and fast rule about how much of it will be followed .. Apparently some people appear to be doing it, but I am afraid it is not something that will have a universal appeal..

worksonmine 7mo ago

> This could be true, but why ignore the fact that you create a full blown native Mac app, with a single sentence? I would guess it's for the same reasons that you're ignoring all the fixes necessary to get to an actual "full blown native Mac app". It's rarely a single sentence unless your app does something trivial like printing Hello World.

nottorp 7mo ago

Basically it's because what "AI" can do is extremely different from what "AI evangelists" claim it can do. I haven't seen a single "AI evangelist" address any concerns and limitations, other by than "throw more AI at it" or "it will get better in 5 years, just in time for cold fusion". > you create a full blown native Mac app, with a single sentence Like they created a full blown C compiler that "could compile linux" but in reality didn't pass its own tests? If you constantly cry wolf, no one's going to believe you when the wolf actually comes.

n2d4 7mo ago
It's easy to address the limitations of AI by simply not using AI for those. No one forces you to use AI for tasks where its capabilities are limited; regardless, there are plenty of tasks where they aren't. AI is very good at some things and very bad at others. Early on, many thought chess would be one of the last things mastered by computers, but they were wrong. It makes no sense to take the statement "AI is extremely bad at this task compared to humans" and conclude that AI must be useless or a waste of time. In this case, the AI DJ is bad at picking out classical music. Okay, sure, whatever. But that doesn't automatically mean the AI DJ is bad at everything. > Like they created a full blown C compiler that "could compile linux" but in reality didn't pass its own tests? You are strawmanning hard here. Who is "they"? You are putting all "AI evangelists" into the same blob here, and instead of answering the questions at-hand you ignore them and respond in an ad-hominem style by attacking a project that someone else made, completely unrelated to this entire thread. That is not good faith discourse!
- nottorp 7mo ago
  > Who is "they"? Anthropic IIRC?
  - rhdunn 7mo ago
    Here's the post: https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler https://www.anthropic.com/engineering/building-c-compiler. It was written by a researcher at Anthropic.

eithed 7mo ago

What a strange take - you dismiss valid criticisms of Spotify product, just to venture off into the land of "well you can create a mac app with one sentence" as if that would matter here.

ErroneousBosh 7mo ago

> This could be true, but why ignore the fact that you create a full blown native Mac app, with a single sentence? Isn't that a bit overblown? I just fired up Copilot in VSCode and typed in "make me a DAW plugin that will inject MIDI control changes into the track output" and it didn't even know where to start.

Copyrightest 7mo ago

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rfw300 7mo ago

I don’t necessarily endorse the author’s broad conclusions about “AI”, but I will say that the Spotify DJ specifically is an enragingly bad product. Nothing close to the utility of Claude Code.