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Naive question but do people really value certifications like these?

KiranRao0 7mo ago
My naive guess is that business with no tech component hire consultants, and these are part of the sales pitch. Or governments/large organizations performing box checking exercises
- cyanydeez 7mo ago
  Consultants go anywhere management wants to offload responsibility for choices. It depends entirely on managers whether its just a blamewashing affair or actual beneficial responsibilirt.
SpicyLemonZest 7mo ago
They do. Certifications make technical expertise legible to non-technical decisionmakers, and I've encountered people on both sides of that dynamic who affirmatively like it when companies set up programs like this. Obviously you and I would rather have someone who understands Claude make decisions about whether and how to use it, but in a lot of industries that's not realistic.
MattGaiser 7mo ago
Non-technicals do.
cebert 7mo ago
Unfortunately some business leads value these types of certifications and partner programs. I imagine there’s a great deal of overlap with these folks and those who use Gartner’s Magic Quadrant for purchasing decisions.
3rodents 7mo ago
Most employees at most businesses show up do as they are trained and then go home, because that is what is asked of them. Even those who might have the inclination to explore new technology often will not for fear of doing something wrong. And that creates a big market for training: a company wants their employees to use Claude so the employees must be trained. Startups / technology companies that expect employees to be self-starters who can be set free to frolic amongst the problems are an aberration.
skippyboxedhero 7mo ago
Consultancies do. Deloitte are quoted on the page. Consultancy people at my place of work have all been "AI trained". Doesn't stop them being useless though, like giving an electric drill to a chimp and telling them to build a house...lots of action, a lot of screeching, not much work. One of the mistakes with AI is that people believe it will turn lead into gold: if you give AI bad prompts, AI will produce bad work.
- abirch 7mo ago
  Consultancies sell the resume and not the person. It's easier for them to quantify, "We have 300 CCAs" than it is "What have this person Kim who is really good."
  - Covenant0028 7mo ago
    Yes, because if that was their sales pitch, they would need to pay Kim more, and they would have to account for the fact that she's already allocated elsewhere. It's better to pretend all those CCAs are interchangeable.
- throwawaytea 7mo ago
  If you give bad prompts to humans it produces bad work too.
nlawalker 7mo ago
As a consumer of them, I love them: a company with an influential, widely-used technology or platform spends a ton of money signaling to the industry exactly what's important to know about it, creating training curriculum for it, and a whole infrastructure to verify when someone knows it, I'm going to take them up on all of that, especially in the cases where the investment is like $100, a little bit of studying (the likes of which I'd want to do anyway if I'm learning something new, and I'm happy to have their structured, prioritized list of topics and/or guided curriculum) and a couple hours taking an online-proctored exam. From that perspective, I don't have a good reason not to have a certification in something that's super relevant to my role. In interview/hiring situations where they're not expected or effectively required, they make for great chat fodder and a really good opportunity to exhibit awareness about yourself, the industry, and how the person on the other side of the table might perceive certifications given the context.
- laborcontract 7mo ago
  God I hatelove this type of comment. You're totally right, but it's a complete repudiation of my initial reflex, which is to make a mockery of this. Great perspective. I'm going to do this. Haha.
- mathisfun123 7mo ago
  > spends a ton of money Bruh lol these courses are marketing material designed by fresh grad communications majors. You're falling for exactly the scam they want you to fall for by giving so much benefit of the doubt to entities which deserve none. Edit: no I don't do this kind of work but my mother does so I know exactly how the sausage is made.
neya 7mo ago
Think of these like the Google cloud or AWS certifications. A few companies that specialize in them will want you to have them. But for the rest of the industry, your ability to ace the technical interview will matter more.
dudefeliciano 7mo ago
people no, legal persons yes
icedchai 7mo ago
I have a couple cloud certs because I was forced to get them by a previous employer. They are useless.

My naive guess is that business with no tech component hire consultants, and these are part of the sales pitch. Or governments/large organizations performing box checking exercises

cyanydeez 7mo ago
Consultants go anywhere management wants to offload responsibility for choices. It depends entirely on managers whether its just a blamewashing affair or actual beneficial responsibilirt.

SpicyLemonZest 7mo ago

They do. Certifications make technical expertise legible to non-technical decisionmakers, and I've encountered people on both sides of that dynamic who affirmatively like it when companies set up programs like this. Obviously you and I would rather have someone who understands Claude make decisions about whether and how to use it, but in a lot of industries that's not realistic.

MattGaiser 7mo ago

Non-technicals do.

cebert 7mo ago

Unfortunately some business leads value these types of certifications and partner programs. I imagine there’s a great deal of overlap with these folks and those who use Gartner’s Magic Quadrant for purchasing decisions.

3rodents 7mo ago

Most employees at most businesses show up do as they are trained and then go home, because that is what is asked of them. Even those who might have the inclination to explore new technology often will not for fear of doing something wrong. And that creates a big market for training: a company wants their employees to use Claude so the employees must be trained. Startups / technology companies that expect employees to be self-starters who can be set free to frolic amongst the problems are an aberration.

skippyboxedhero 7mo ago

Consultancies do. Deloitte are quoted on the page. Consultancy people at my place of work have all been "AI trained". Doesn't stop them being useless though, like giving an electric drill to a chimp and telling them to build a house...lots of action, a lot of screeching, not much work. One of the mistakes with AI is that people believe it will turn lead into gold: if you give AI bad prompts, AI will produce bad work.

abirch 7mo ago
Consultancies sell the resume and not the person. It's easier for them to quantify, "We have 300 CCAs" than it is "What have this person Kim who is really good."
- Covenant0028 7mo ago
  Yes, because if that was their sales pitch, they would need to pay Kim more, and they would have to account for the fact that she's already allocated elsewhere. It's better to pretend all those CCAs are interchangeable.
throwawaytea 7mo ago
If you give bad prompts to humans it produces bad work too.

nlawalker 7mo ago

As a consumer of them, I love them: a company with an influential, widely-used technology or platform spends a ton of money signaling to the industry exactly what's important to know about it, creating training curriculum for it, and a whole infrastructure to verify when someone knows it, I'm going to take them up on all of that, especially in the cases where the investment is like $100, a little bit of studying (the likes of which I'd want to do anyway if I'm learning something new, and I'm happy to have their structured, prioritized list of topics and/or guided curriculum) and a couple hours taking an online-proctored exam. From that perspective, I don't have a good reason not to have a certification in something that's super relevant to my role. In interview/hiring situations where they're not expected or effectively required, they make for great chat fodder and a really good opportunity to exhibit awareness about yourself, the industry, and how the person on the other side of the table might perceive certifications given the context.

laborcontract 7mo ago
God I hatelove this type of comment. You're totally right, but it's a complete repudiation of my initial reflex, which is to make a mockery of this. Great perspective. I'm going to do this. Haha.
mathisfun123 7mo ago
> spends a ton of money Bruh lol these courses are marketing material designed by fresh grad communications majors. You're falling for exactly the scam they want you to fall for by giving so much benefit of the doubt to entities which deserve none. Edit: no I don't do this kind of work but my mother does so I know exactly how the sausage is made.

neya 7mo ago

Think of these like the Google cloud or AWS certifications. A few companies that specialize in them will want you to have them. But for the rest of the industry, your ability to ace the technical interview will matter more.

dudefeliciano 7mo ago

people no, legal persons yes

icedchai 7mo ago

I have a couple cloud certs because I was forced to get them by a previous employer. They are useless.