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I have a PhD in a niche field and this can do my job ;) Not sure if this means I should get a more interesting job or if we are all going to be at the mercy of

by fooker 8mo ago

I have a PhD in a niche field and this can do my job ;) Not sure if this means I should get a more interesting job or if we are all going to be at the mercy of UBI eventually.

suzzer99 8mo ago
We're never getting UBI. See the latest interview with the Palantir CEO where he talks about white collar workers having to take more hands-on jobs that they may not feel as satisfied with. IE - tending their manors and compounds. RIP widespread middle class. It was a good 80-year run.
- fooker 7mo ago
  I wonder if we are going to find more creative solutions.
_heimdall 8mo ago
An economy, and likely a society, fails if everyone is at the mercy of a UBI.
- copperx 8mo ago
  But what's the alternative? Can any economy succeed with a >50% unemployment rate?
  - _heimdall 8mo ago
    Don't confuse UBI and employment or even income though. If we find ourselves replacing or exceeding current productivity without humans working in the system we have to fundamentally rethink our system. You likely wouldn't need money at all in that future, for example. What does the money really mean when everyone I'd guaranteed to have all the basics covered? Is money really helping to store value created via labor when there is no labor? And is money providing price discover when the cost of resources and manufacturing are moving towards zero? If labor is replaced with tech, and I think that's a big if, I don't see any outcome other than a totalitarian distopia that will fail much like the Soviet Union.
    - fooker 7mo ago
      Brave new world ;)
- fph 8mo ago
  We don't really know yet, that's just speculation.
  - _heimdall 8mo ago
    The replacement of human labor with tech is speculation. I don't see any way a future where we have a UBI because humans no longer work for a living ends well. Sure I'm talking the future so its speculative, but I'd love to hear a scenario where it works well sustainably and doesn't turn into a totalitarian distopia.
- fooker 7mo ago
  > An economy ... fails We know this to be true with a reasonably degree of certainty > likely a society This one, not so much. We could potentially have pretty vibrant societies even if everyone is not ultra rich, not going on international vacations, not having access to buy things from the other end of the world subsidized by economies of scale.

by fooker 8mo ago

I have a PhD in a niche field and this can do my job ;) Not sure if this means I should get a more interesting job or if we are all going to be at the mercy of UBI eventually.

suzzer99 8mo ago

We're never getting UBI. See the latest interview with the Palantir CEO where he talks about white collar workers having to take more hands-on jobs that they may not feel as satisfied with. IE - tending their manors and compounds. RIP widespread middle class. It was a good 80-year run.

fooker 7mo ago
I wonder if we are going to find more creative solutions.

_heimdall 8mo ago

An economy, and likely a society, fails if everyone is at the mercy of a UBI.

copperx 8mo ago
But what's the alternative? Can any economy succeed with a >50% unemployment rate?
- _heimdall 8mo ago
  Don't confuse UBI and employment or even income though. If we find ourselves replacing or exceeding current productivity without humans working in the system we have to fundamentally rethink our system. You likely wouldn't need money at all in that future, for example. What does the money really mean when everyone I'd guaranteed to have all the basics covered? Is money really helping to store value created via labor when there is no labor? And is money providing price discover when the cost of resources and manufacturing are moving towards zero? If labor is replaced with tech, and I think that's a big if, I don't see any outcome other than a totalitarian distopia that will fail much like the Soviet Union.
  - fooker 7mo ago
    Brave new world ;)
fph 8mo ago
We don't really know yet, that's just speculation.
- _heimdall 8mo ago
  The replacement of human labor with tech is speculation. I don't see any way a future where we have a UBI because humans no longer work for a living ends well. Sure I'm talking the future so its speculative, but I'd love to hear a scenario where it works well sustainably and doesn't turn into a totalitarian distopia.
fooker 7mo ago
> An economy ... fails We know this to be true with a reasonably degree of certainty > likely a society This one, not so much. We could potentially have pretty vibrant societies even if everyone is not ultra rich, not going on international vacations, not having access to buy things from the other end of the world subsidized by economies of scale.