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In the US, cheap ThinkPads like E14 sometimes sell for a bit less when you factor in all typical discounts. They are good machines that run Linux well and can b
by nextos 7mo ago
In the US, cheap ThinkPads like E14 sometimes sell for a bit less when you factor in all typical discounts. They are good machines that run Linux well and can be repaired.
In EU, and I imagine other markets, there's nothing remotely close. I hope this puts some pressure on Lenovo and the rest of manufacturers to be more competitive.
- porphyra 7mo ago> and can be repaired The Macbook Neo is highly repairable too [1]. Not _quite_ as repairable as some Thinkpads with a 10/10 score, but still pretty respectable at a 6/10 with easily replaceable batteries and stuff. [1] https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-repairable-macbook-in-14-years https://www.ifixit.com/News/116152/macbook-neo-is-the-most-r...
- sourcegrift 7mo ago8 GB RAM and 6/10 "respectable" repairability.
- nar001 7mo agoRAM has no bearing on repairability? And yes, sure stuff is soldered to the motherboard, but everything is basically modular outside of it, you can replace every big part pretty easily, and no glue, even for the battery
- mylies43 7mo agoThe RAM being soldered is a hit against repair ability, you can't expand it or if the ram has issues you can't replace it, you will just be forced to throw out the entire machine. What else is modular here anyways? Can I swap out the CPU, the screen, the keyboard, ports...anything?
- wtallis 7mo agoRepairability and upgradability aren't quite the same concept.
- colechristensen 7mo agoSoldering RAM isn't for compact size or cost or to keep you from upgrading, it's for speed. Soldered RAM can be physically closer with a faster bus than removable RAM.
- okanat 7mo agoWith old style DIMMs I can understand this excuse, with LPCAMM though, it doesn't fly.
- dmitrygr 7mo agoYes it does. LPCAMM path is still dozens of millimeters. Soldered on is one mm or less.
- josephg 7mo agoYep. Even the framework seems to be moving to soldered on ram.
- Dylan16807 7mo agoIf you mean the desktop, there must have been something wrong with that AMD chip. Existing designs with LPCAMM are just as fast.
- okanat 7mo agoYeah, I got downvoted but the people arguing against have no idea of the speeds of the standards. LPCAMM2 offers the same exact speeds as LPDDR5x. It is dumb as a consumer to just accept soldering as an excuse from tech companies.
- herbst 7mo ago[flagged]
- jxdxbx 7mo agoI have a Neo and 16GB Thinkpad and the Neo smokes it.
- nextos 7mo agoWhat configuration on the ThinkPad?
- DauntingPear7 7mo agoHave you owned an M-series MacBook?
- moffkalast 7mo agoIn the EU it costs $200 more so it's more like a low to mid range laptop. I have a feeling these are aimed at the same sector as the Framework 12, school provided laptops for kids meant to be bought in bulk by institutions. But there they're competing against $150 Chromebooks and neither is even close.
- GeekyBear 7mo agoIn the EU, you don't need to buy an extended warranty, since existing consumer protection laws require the sort of extended repair coverage Americans have to pay extra for. Taxes are also included in the EU price, but not the US price.
- rngfnby 7mo agoBut sales taxes are significantly lower and easily lowered or even avoided by driving a half hour. No one does this, because they're low enough to begin with.
- wolvoleo 7mo agoYes but be aware this only goes where Apple is the actual seller. If you buy it in another shop you only have Apple warranty for one year and the shop has to sort out the second one. So buying from Apple directly is better.
- devilbunny 7mo agoThe lack of reflection indicated by "US prices are so much cheaper! Why are our electronics so expensive?" vs "What do you mean, you can't take it back to the store where you got it for an on-the-spot replacement a year and a half after purchase if it breaks?" has amused me for quite some time. Not that both come from the same person, but don't they ever talk to each other?
- moffkalast 7mo agoI always wondered why nobody's ever tried to reach me about an extended warranty despite it being such a meme. I guess that's why, pretty fucked up ngl.
- pjmlp 7mo agoFor those that feel like paying 700 to 800 euros for Neo, not all EU countries are living the life. And then there is the rest of the globe.