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> Everyone who's not terribly worried about privacy always uses the line 'if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about', "Saying you don
by AnthonyMouse 8mo ago
> Everyone who's not terribly worried about privacy always uses the line 'if you're not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to worry about',
"Saying you don't need privacy because you have nothing to hide is like saying you don't need freedom of speech because you have nothing to say." - Edward Snowden
- pardon_me 8mo agoLocks on bathroom doors are for privacy, not security.
- classified 8mo agoMeaning what?
- harry8 8mo agoThe misguided who say they don’t need privacy suddenly have a dense memory of the thousands of times they’ve turned the lock on a bathroom door and consider the idea of deficating in full view as an alternative. The meaning is to highlight the incredible silliness of the “nothing to hide” skawkers who sound like so many Soviet propagandists.
- fsflover 8mo agoThis is completely missing the point of why one needs privacy. Lack of it harms journalism and activism, making the government too powerful and not accountable. If only activists and journalists will try to have the privacy, it will be much easier to target them. Everyone should have privacy to protect them. Thus is what Snowden probably meant, not bathrooms.
- harry8 8mo agoIf you think the benefit of privacy to society and individuals is limited to activists, jounrnalists and providing them cover you might have missed the point yourself. The sheer number of distinct benefits flowing from privacy make the "nothing to hide" argument utterly absurd to anyone capable of thought.
- fsflover 8mo agoWhat are other benefits for people who don't really care? I could never convince such people of the importance of privacy.
- harry8 8mo agoDemocracy depends on a secret ballot. Start there. Then move on to the fact that not every govt employee is honest. Some will be involved in organised crime. What about your family do you not want organised crime to know? Do you trust everyone in the government who might encounter you today? Do you trust everyone who might encounter you next year? In 10 years time? 20 years? Gotta trust them all! The rule of law exists, in part, so that the strongest does not always get their way. Do you trust your insurance company and their outsourced contractors with knowing everything about your family when they refuse to pay your legitimate claim and you have to go to court? They have vastly more resources than you already. There's plenty more, think them through. By the time you have it that these people who don't care, they also don't want to be naked in the street or have their children be naked in public, do want freedom and democracy rather than soviet style tyranny, and don't want to be effectively targeted by criminals... If you need to continue, it's a lost cause and you're dealing with bad faith or total un-fixable idiocy.
- BoredPositron 8mo ago[flagged]
- MentatOnMelange 8mo agoYou realize that without the door it would be even more obvious whether the stall is occupied?
- jackyinger 8mo agoIt's not about it being occupied, it is about what is happening inside.
- inetknght 8mo agoEveryone knows what's happening inside.
- magicalhippo 8mo agoIndeed, people are snorting coke. Hence why they want doors.
- xprnio 8mo agoGood thing they were already in the stall, as that coke was bunk, and cut with laxatives
- gwinkle 8mo agoSnowden is comparing two things that, in fact, are not alike. Surveillance gathers information, whereas censorship suppresses expression. It might sound like clever rhetoric to people of a lower intellectual capacity, but these are fundamentally distinct concepts.
- Revanche1367 8mo agoOr he was not comparing those two things to say they are the same thing but rather making an analogy based on the common factor of people in the US often wanting legal protections for both speech and privacy to draw his point that one is giving up their rights by making the excuse about not wanting privacy which they would probably not do when it comes to speech. Thinking comparisons of two similar things are always for the purpose of saying that they are the same thing is ridiculous, don’t you think? It might sound like clever reasoning to people of a mediocre intellectual capacity but it is not logically coherent.
- AnthonyMouse 8mo ago> Surveillance gathers information, whereas censorship suppresses expression. Surveillance suppresses expression through chilling effects.
- howard941 8mo agoIt only chills when the watchers are hidden. See David Brin's The Transparent Society for an example of how sousveillence ought to work.