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I am kind of peeved. I started a community there and diligently posted links to topical news, and it kind of became a reference to me. Like many others, I've pu

I am kind of peeved. I started a community there and diligently posted links to topical news, and it kind of became a reference to me. Like many others, I've put in some amount of effort. Now it's gone, again. Without a head's up or a way to get a backup out of it, it seems like. Can't say I am a fan of that.

calmbonsai 7mo ago
Cutting staff does in no way mandate a un-notified and abrupt "hard-reset". They could at least put it in read-only mode for a short time and allow downloading of extant community content prior to a scheduled "reset day". This smacks of flailing leadership and zero respect for their target user demographic.
- amarant 7mo ago
  They say trust is their product, well,I guess they're sold out
  - calmbonsai 7mo ago
    In Digg's non-defense, Kevin Rose has been a serial-rug-puller for his entire career. See also Pownce, Milk, and Moonbirds. The only sustained business I'm aware of is Hodinkee.
    - al_borland 7mo ago
      Kevin Rose didn't start Hodinkee, he started Watchville years after Hodinkee was already well established. Watchville merged with Hodinkee, at which point he became the CEO for 2 years. From what I can tell Watchville was abandoned a few years ago.
- idatum 7mo ago
  > Digg's founder who started the company back in 2004 Their plan is to make the internet what is was 22 years ago.
  - dillona 7mo ago
    I wonder how much it's possible to recreate some of the old magic. I'm sure it's impossible, but what if it's not?
snapetom 7mo ago
Argh. Also quite irritated. I had 50/50 transitioned over to it despite the lower traffic because it was a calm oasis. The thing about bots is believable, though, because you could already see it happening. Dead Internet has been real for a while, and I'd love to seem Kevin and Alex do a followup on this.
- MildlySerious 7mo ago
  Yeah. Sadly the default communities were flooded with blog spam, and that's just the part I noticed. A couple days ago a bunch of smaller communities also got a noticeable bump in members. That didn't change anything in my own community, but others apparently weren't so lucky. I can see why the team got overwhelmed. I wouldn't want to have to deal with that.
ekjhgkejhgk 7mo ago
You chose to put your effort into building something that someone else owns. Next time try doing it in a way that you control it.
- MildlySerious 7mo ago
  You're right, and that is one of the lessons to be reminded of here. My main point wasn't that, though. It's simply a bad and low-effort way to handle the situation, and like one of the other replies points out, there are better options. They could have just as well disabled posting and maybe even viewing of submissions and communities for the time being. Just shutting it all down immediately without notice leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I will not be among the people returning for their next relaunch. I am sure others feel the same way, and I don't think it is a wise decision to needlessly put off your early adopters if you're hoping for them to come back "next time".
RobotToaster 7mo ago
If you're looking for a new platform lemmy is probably your best bet, at least if a server goes down everything is still saved on federated servers.
- MildlySerious 7mo ago
  I do have a lemmy account, but have not really returned to it in a while. Maybe I haven't found the right communities yet, but it had nothing about it that felt engaging. People upvoted, but nobody talked. No interaction. Digg felt more alive from day one. I replied to a post in a niche community with ~100 members and only afterwards realized it was @justin.
- ranger_danger 7mo ago
  My experience with lemmy has not been nice. A majority of people there are just downright awful, and the mods are often power-hungry and overzealous in their actions. Many times entire servers are defederated from many others due to how a large percentage of their users behave. Example: https://0x0.st/8RmU.png https://0x0.st/8RmU.png
  - RobotToaster 7mo ago
    Yeah, the primary instance (lemmy.ml) isn't the best. I use mander.xyz, it's science focused, but they also have a policy of only de-federating instances that host CSAM.
    - ranger_danger 7mo ago
      Where is that policy located? I could not find it. Their /instances page also only shows a single blocked instance, whereas something like programming.dev shows lots of questionable instances blocked.
      - RobotToaster 7mo ago
        Honestly, I couldn't find it either, but the owner talks about it in his post about blocking threads https://mander.xyz/post/1062661 https://mander.xyz/post/1062661
the_gipsy 7mo ago
Will we never learn to stop. Building. On. Platforms.
- solus_factor 7mo ago
  Not. Until. Federated. Services. Don't. Suck. :)
Jordan-117 7mo ago
That's exactly what they did to the old Digg back in 2010 -- massive redesign that effectively deleted all old posts, comments, and favorites without warning or opportunity to back up. I pretty feel vindicated choosing not to trust them again, though it's wild they didn't even make an effort to do better here when they claim to want to keep going.

calmbonsai 7mo ago

Cutting staff does in no way mandate a un-notified and abrupt "hard-reset". They could at least put it in read-only mode for a short time and allow downloading of extant community content prior to a scheduled "reset day". This smacks of flailing leadership and zero respect for their target user demographic.

amarant 7mo ago
They say trust is their product, well,I guess they're sold out
- calmbonsai 7mo ago
  In Digg's non-defense, Kevin Rose has been a serial-rug-puller for his entire career. See also Pownce, Milk, and Moonbirds. The only sustained business I'm aware of is Hodinkee.
  - al_borland 7mo ago
    Kevin Rose didn't start Hodinkee, he started Watchville years after Hodinkee was already well established. Watchville merged with Hodinkee, at which point he became the CEO for 2 years. From what I can tell Watchville was abandoned a few years ago.
idatum 7mo ago
> Digg's founder who started the company back in 2004 Their plan is to make the internet what is was 22 years ago.
- dillona 7mo ago
  I wonder how much it's possible to recreate some of the old magic. I'm sure it's impossible, but what if it's not?

snapetom 7mo ago

Argh. Also quite irritated. I had 50/50 transitioned over to it despite the lower traffic because it was a calm oasis. The thing about bots is believable, though, because you could already see it happening. Dead Internet has been real for a while, and I'd love to seem Kevin and Alex do a followup on this.

MildlySerious 7mo ago
Yeah. Sadly the default communities were flooded with blog spam, and that's just the part I noticed. A couple days ago a bunch of smaller communities also got a noticeable bump in members. That didn't change anything in my own community, but others apparently weren't so lucky. I can see why the team got overwhelmed. I wouldn't want to have to deal with that.

ekjhgkejhgk 7mo ago

You chose to put your effort into building something that someone else owns. Next time try doing it in a way that you control it.

MildlySerious 7mo ago
You're right, and that is one of the lessons to be reminded of here. My main point wasn't that, though. It's simply a bad and low-effort way to handle the situation, and like one of the other replies points out, there are better options. They could have just as well disabled posting and maybe even viewing of submissions and communities for the time being. Just shutting it all down immediately without notice leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and I will not be among the people returning for their next relaunch. I am sure others feel the same way, and I don't think it is a wise decision to needlessly put off your early adopters if you're hoping for them to come back "next time".

RobotToaster 7mo ago

If you're looking for a new platform lemmy is probably your best bet, at least if a server goes down everything is still saved on federated servers.

MildlySerious 7mo ago
I do have a lemmy account, but have not really returned to it in a while. Maybe I haven't found the right communities yet, but it had nothing about it that felt engaging. People upvoted, but nobody talked. No interaction. Digg felt more alive from day one. I replied to a post in a niche community with ~100 members and only afterwards realized it was @justin.
ranger_danger 7mo ago
My experience with lemmy has not been nice. A majority of people there are just downright awful, and the mods are often power-hungry and overzealous in their actions. Many times entire servers are defederated from many others due to how a large percentage of their users behave. Example: https://0x0.st/8RmU.png https://0x0.st/8RmU.png
- RobotToaster 7mo ago
  Yeah, the primary instance (lemmy.ml) isn't the best. I use mander.xyz, it's science focused, but they also have a policy of only de-federating instances that host CSAM.
  - ranger_danger 7mo ago
    Where is that policy located? I could not find it. Their /instances page also only shows a single blocked instance, whereas something like programming.dev shows lots of questionable instances blocked.
    - RobotToaster 7mo ago
      Honestly, I couldn't find it either, but the owner talks about it in his post about blocking threads https://mander.xyz/post/1062661 https://mander.xyz/post/1062661

the_gipsy 7mo ago

Will we never learn to stop. Building. On. Platforms.

solus_factor 7mo ago
Not. Until. Federated. Services. Don't. Suck. :)

Jordan-117 7mo ago

That's exactly what they did to the old Digg back in 2010 -- massive redesign that effectively deleted all old posts, comments, and favorites without warning or opportunity to back up. I pretty feel vindicated choosing not to trust them again, though it's wild they didn't even make an effort to do better here when they claim to want to keep going.