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Would you elaborate what you mean by saying Linux on an M-series chip isn't straightforward? That's not been my experience, I (and lots of other devs) use it ev

Would you elaborate what you mean by saying Linux on an M-series chip isn't straightforward? That's not been my experience, I (and lots of other devs) use it every day, Apple supports Linux via [0], and provides the ability to use Rosetta 2 within VMs to run legacy x86 binaries? 0: https://github.com/apple/container https://github.com/apple/container

stuxnet79 7mo ago
Clearly I'm not as knowledgable about this as I thought I was. I already have a Ubuntu x86 VM running on an Intel Mac (inside VirtualBox). Same with Windows 11. Can this tool allow me to run both VMs in an Apple Silicon device in a performant way? Last I checked VirtualBox on Apple Silicon only permits the running of ARM64 guests. While I have a preference for VirtualBox I'd say I'm hypervisor agnostic. Really any way I can get this to work would be super intriguing to me.
- argsnd 7mo ago
  Run ARM64 Linux and install Rosetta inside it. Even on the MacBook Neo it'll be faster than your 2020 Intel Mac.
- js2 7mo ago
  > Can this tool allow me to run both VMs in an Apple Silicon device in a performant way? I use VMWare Fusion on an M1 Air to run ARM Windows. Windows is then able to run Windows x86-64 executables I believe through it's own Rosetta 2 like implementation. The main limitation is that you cannot use x86-64 drivers. Similarly, ARM Linux VMs can use Rosetta 2 to run x86-64 binaries with excellent performance. For that I mostly use Rancher or podman which setup the Linux VM automatically and then use it to run Linux ARM containers. I don't recall if I've tried to run x86-64 Linux binaries inside an Linux ARM container. It might be a little trickier to get Rosetta 2 to work. It's been a long time since I tried to run a Linux x86-64 container.
  - MBCook 7mo ago
    Possible catch: Rosetta 2 goes away next year in macOS 27. I don’t know what the story for VMs is. I’d really like to know as it affects me. Sure you can go QEMU, but there’s a real performance hit there.
    - js2 7mo ago
      Not until macOS 28., but you're right, it's frustratingly unclear whether the initial deprecation is limited to macOS apps or whether it will also stop working for VMs. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527 https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/running-intel-binaries-in-linux-vms-with-rosetta https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...
      - MBCook 7mo ago
        Oh I have another year? Phew.
      - saagarjha 7mo ago
        It would be pretty difficult for Apple to disable Rosetta for VMs.
        js2 7mo ago
        How so?
        simondotau 7mo ago
        It never existed.
        deleted 7mo ago
        [deleted]
        js2 7mo ago
        https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/running-intel-binaries-in-linux-vms-with-rosetta https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...
- fragmede 7mo ago
  Pay Parallels for their GPU acceleration that makes Arm windows on apple silicon usable.
- alwillis 7mo ago
  > Last I checked VirtualBox on Apple Silicon only permits the running of ARM64 guests. I used to use VirtualBox a lot back in the day. I tried it recently on my Mac; it's become pretty bloated over the years. On the other hand, this GUI for Quem is pretty nice [1]. [1]: https://mac.getutm.app https://mac.getutm.app
- DarmokJalad1701 7mo ago
  https://github.com/abiosoft/colima https://github.com/abiosoft/colima This is a super easy way to run linux VMs on Apple Silicon. It can also act as a backend for docker.

stuxnet79 7mo ago

Clearly I'm not as knowledgable about this as I thought I was. I already have a Ubuntu x86 VM running on an Intel Mac (inside VirtualBox). Same with Windows 11. Can this tool allow me to run both VMs in an Apple Silicon device in a performant way? Last I checked VirtualBox on Apple Silicon only permits the running of ARM64 guests. While I have a preference for VirtualBox I'd say I'm hypervisor agnostic. Really any way I can get this to work would be super intriguing to me.

argsnd 7mo ago
Run ARM64 Linux and install Rosetta inside it. Even on the MacBook Neo it'll be faster than your 2020 Intel Mac.
js2 7mo ago
> Can this tool allow me to run both VMs in an Apple Silicon device in a performant way? I use VMWare Fusion on an M1 Air to run ARM Windows. Windows is then able to run Windows x86-64 executables I believe through it's own Rosetta 2 like implementation. The main limitation is that you cannot use x86-64 drivers. Similarly, ARM Linux VMs can use Rosetta 2 to run x86-64 binaries with excellent performance. For that I mostly use Rancher or podman which setup the Linux VM automatically and then use it to run Linux ARM containers. I don't recall if I've tried to run x86-64 Linux binaries inside an Linux ARM container. It might be a little trickier to get Rosetta 2 to work. It's been a long time since I tried to run a Linux x86-64 container.
- MBCook 7mo ago
  Possible catch: Rosetta 2 goes away next year in macOS 27. I don’t know what the story for VMs is. I’d really like to know as it affects me. Sure you can go QEMU, but there’s a real performance hit there.
  - js2 7mo ago
    Not until macOS 28., but you're right, it's frustratingly unclear whether the initial deprecation is limited to macOS apps or whether it will also stop working for VMs. https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527 https://support.apple.com/en-us/102527 https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/running-intel-binaries-in-linux-vms-with-rosetta https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...
    - MBCook 7mo ago
      Oh I have another year? Phew.
    - saagarjha 7mo ago
      It would be pretty difficult for Apple to disable Rosetta for VMs.
      - js2 7mo ago
        How so?
        simondotau 7mo ago
        It never existed.
        deleted 7mo ago
        [deleted]
        js2 7mo ago
        https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/running-intel-binaries-in-linux-vms-with-rosetta https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...
fragmede 7mo ago
Pay Parallels for their GPU acceleration that makes Arm windows on apple silicon usable.
alwillis 7mo ago
> Last I checked VirtualBox on Apple Silicon only permits the running of ARM64 guests. I used to use VirtualBox a lot back in the day. I tried it recently on my Mac; it's become pretty bloated over the years. On the other hand, this GUI for Quem is pretty nice [1]. [1]: https://mac.getutm.app https://mac.getutm.app
DarmokJalad1701 7mo ago
https://github.com/abiosoft/colima https://github.com/abiosoft/colima This is a super easy way to run linux VMs on Apple Silicon. It can also act as a backend for docker.