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does that mean since this is the iPhone 16 cpu, by proxy the iPhone 16 can also run Windows in a virtual machine?

bombcar 7mo ago
Maybe/maybe not (we don't know how identical the A18 chip is to what shipped in the iPhone) - but it does determine that the virtualization stuff that was added to the M1 (in the era of the A14) has now moved over to the A series, at least enough to support macOS.
- the_real_cher 7mo ago
  Thats pretty cool.
- MBCook 7mo ago
  Speculation I’ve heard from Ben Thompson of Stratechery is this machine is, in part, a way to get value out of iPhone Pro chips that had defects. The Neo has a 5 core GPU. The iPhone 16 Pro had a 6 core. So, if he’s correct, these are the same exact chip. Just with a fault in one GPU core or one GPU core disabled if it was good. That lets them use extra chips they already made that would have gone to waste, at least until they run out. Which would mean they both would have identical abilities, assuming no software lock for segmentation purposes. It’s all supposition. But it make a lot of business sense.
  - the_real_cher 7mo ago
    What a cool and smart way to utilize those chips! It would explain why they picked such an arbitrary number of cores.
hard_times 7mo ago
Is this a trick question? Of course. However Apple imposed artificial limitations, like disabling JIT.
- the_real_cher 7mo ago
  So they're purposefully crippling it?
duskwuff 7mo ago
I mean, in principle you already can: https://getutm.app/ https://getutm.app/ It doesn't work well - probably not at all for a modern version of Windows - but the tools exist.
MattTheRealOne 7mo ago
Yes. See UTM: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/utm-se-retro-pc-emulator/id1564628856 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/utm-se-retro-pc-emulator/id156... Unfortunately, the performance is very poor due to Apple restrictions on iOS.
- the_real_cher 7mo ago
  What do you mean by Apple restrictions? Are they arbitrary restrictions Apple puts on them to prevent this kind of thong?
  - MattTheRealOne 7mo ago
    It is mostly around Just-In-Time (JIT) compilation. From what I can tell, it is an arbitrary restriction for apps published on the App Store. It looks like UTM can be sideloaded without the restriction. See the UTM iOS installation documentation for more information: https://docs.getutm.app/installation/ios/ https://docs.getutm.app/installation/ios/

Maybe/maybe not (we don't know how identical the A18 chip is to what shipped in the iPhone) - but it does determine that the virtualization stuff that was added to the M1 (in the era of the A14) has now moved over to the A series, at least enough to support macOS.

the_real_cher 7mo ago
Thats pretty cool.
MBCook 7mo ago
Speculation I’ve heard from Ben Thompson of Stratechery is this machine is, in part, a way to get value out of iPhone Pro chips that had defects. The Neo has a 5 core GPU. The iPhone 16 Pro had a 6 core. So, if he’s correct, these are the same exact chip. Just with a fault in one GPU core or one GPU core disabled if it was good. That lets them use extra chips they already made that would have gone to waste, at least until they run out. Which would mean they both would have identical abilities, assuming no software lock for segmentation purposes. It’s all supposition. But it make a lot of business sense.
- the_real_cher 7mo ago
  What a cool and smart way to utilize those chips! It would explain why they picked such an arbitrary number of cores.

hard_times 7mo ago

Is this a trick question? Of course. However Apple imposed artificial limitations, like disabling JIT.

the_real_cher 7mo ago
So they're purposefully crippling it?

duskwuff 7mo ago

I mean, in principle you already can: https://getutm.app/ https://getutm.app/ It doesn't work well - probably not at all for a modern version of Windows - but the tools exist.

MattTheRealOne 7mo ago

Yes. See UTM: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/utm-se-retro-pc-emulator/id1564628856 https://apps.apple.com/us/app/utm-se-retro-pc-emulator/id156... Unfortunately, the performance is very poor due to Apple restrictions on iOS.

the_real_cher 7mo ago
What do you mean by Apple restrictions? Are they arbitrary restrictions Apple puts on them to prevent this kind of thong?
- MattTheRealOne 7mo ago
  It is mostly around Just-In-Time (JIT) compilation. From what I can tell, it is an arbitrary restriction for apps published on the App Store. It looks like UTM can be sideloaded without the restriction. See the UTM iOS installation documentation for more information: https://docs.getutm.app/installation/ios/ https://docs.getutm.app/installation/ios/