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> but otherwise increasing the future safety by annihilating the military structure of an aspiring nuclear power for say The problem is that there's always a v

by tredre3 8mo ago

> but otherwise increasing the future safety by annihilating the military structure of an aspiring nuclear power for say The problem is that there's always a very convenient aspiring nuclear power to hit. In hindsight they rarely never were a real threats (Iraq, Cuba). And what became real threats have historically been downplayed by the american government (North Korea).

andriy_koval 8mo ago
Iran is real threat to oil circulation in that region, they applied this tactics many times before. Now imagine if we come to current situation 5 years later when Iran has missiles with nuclear warheads?
- lm28469 8mo ago
  > they applied this tactics many times before Feel free to list the details about when, how and why it happened before ;) interestingly none of these scenario would even have happened if they had nukes to begin with, how weird
  - andriy_koval 8mo ago
    Here is example: https://news.usni.org/2023/04/27/centcom-iranian-naval-forces-seize-tanker-advantage-sweet-in-gulf-of-oman https://news.usni.org/2023/04/27/centcom-iranian-naval-force... > interestingly none of these scenario would even have happened if they had nukes to begin with, how weird this is very weird speculation, Iran would be way more aggressive in its action in the region if they would have nukes.
    - lm28469 8mo ago
      The only weird thing in this story is that we keep preemptively bombing the same people for at best vague reasons (they were about to attack us trust me bro) and at worst complete made up lies (they have mass destruction weapons, look at my jar of anthrax).
      - andriy_koval 8mo ago
        > they were about to attack us trust me bro depends how you define "attack us". Iran is part of Iran-Russia-China axis, which goals are very explicit in expanding influence and territories (Ukraine, Taiwan, Syria, Iraq, Gulf states). If they succeed, Western world will be cut from semiconductors and oil and become much weaker.
        lm28469 8mo ago
        Might, may, could, potentially, maybe... Virtually nothing happened in decades and now that the US/Israel decided time was up the situation is more fucked than it has ever been, potentially pushing the Iranian government into more radicalism, good job! That will teach them. "we had to attack because they could theoretically cut us from oil in a distant future", how is it going so far? How did it go in Iraq? Afghanistan? What's up with kidnapping Maduro? Is this what the "western world" is about? Securing resources by bombing people preemptively because they might do something you don't like one day? You can't look at the recent history of the region and point the finger at literally anyone else other than the US with a straight face lmao, you're the blood thirsty nation who's military industrial complex got out of hand, just watch the latest videos posted by the official white house accounts, only psychopaths would come up with these
        andriy_koval 8mo ago
        > Virtually nothing happened in decades it was decades of very intense proxy wars: Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Gaza, Lebanon. Iran didn't hesitate to attack oil assets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack > Is this what the "western world" is about? Securing resources by bombing people preemptively because they might do something you don't like one day? sure, that's what humans do through centuries. If you don't do it, you get extinct because other forces become stronger and bomb you.
        lm28469 8mo ago
        > it was decades of very intense proxy wars: Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Gaza, Lebanon. Iran didn't hesitate to attack oil assets Compared to the US and Israel who only mind their own business and never do any shady things of course. Russia says the same thing about the US in Ukraine, but there it's a dirty propaganda lie, when it comes to Iran it's just the Real Truth ™
  - DoctorOetker 8mo ago
    you are putting words in the mouth of your discourse partner: approaching nuclear weapons capabilities is the reason for attack, waiting until its too late is obviously not considered an option.
    - lm28469 8mo ago
      Like when Iraq was just about to drop anthrax all over the US? We should study the psychology of normies falling over and over for the same propaganda techniques even when it goes again their own interests
      - andriy_koval 8mo ago
        maybe its unlike Iraq situation this time.
DoctorOetker 8mo ago
What makes you think Iran was not a real nuclear threat? The USA even bungled up an operation (with the goal of gaining better intel and internal domestic spies in Iran) by convincing an Iranian physicist to carry convincing plans to an address in Iran. That physicist got so sh-scared (who wouldn't) that the nuclear bomb designs would be so transparently bugged that he feared for his life. He did the unexpected: he recognized which parts of the designs were obviously manipulated for failure and corrected them before indeed depositing at the address. He feared and figured that other physicists in Iran would quickly spot the same manipulations in the weapon design, and he would effectively be committing suicide by thus proving himself a spy! What a cuck-op of an operation!
- bdangubic 8mo ago
  > What makes you think Iran was not a real nuclear threat? decades and decades and decades of ... https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/6/18/the-history-of-netanyahus-rhetoric-on-irans-nuclear-ambitions https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/6/18/the-history-of-n... https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/1l9t7yl/netanyahus_iran_nuclear_bomb_claim_timeline/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/1l9t7yl/neta...
  - DoctorOetker 8mo ago
    do you deny they had the ambition? you don't train such huge proportions of the population towards physics without nuclear weapon ambitions you don't enrich uranium to absurdly high levels for peaceful energy production (sorting isotopes is expensive) you don't assassinate with hydrogen cyanide (generic non-brand equivalent of Zyklon B) random minorities (like Mahsa Amini) just because they would like to study law, and happen to have a less-regime aligned attitude, unless you are running a chemical weapons program (which apparently wasn't really halted after the Iran-Iraq war)
    - bdangubic 8mo ago
      > do you deny they had the ambition? I have an ambition to marry MacKenzie Scott but doubt that’s happening :)

by tredre3 8mo ago

andriy_koval 8mo ago

Iran is real threat to oil circulation in that region, they applied this tactics many times before. Now imagine if we come to current situation 5 years later when Iran has missiles with nuclear warheads?

lm28469 8mo ago
> they applied this tactics many times before Feel free to list the details about when, how and why it happened before ;) interestingly none of these scenario would even have happened if they had nukes to begin with, how weird
- andriy_koval 8mo ago
  Here is example: https://news.usni.org/2023/04/27/centcom-iranian-naval-forces-seize-tanker-advantage-sweet-in-gulf-of-oman https://news.usni.org/2023/04/27/centcom-iranian-naval-force... > interestingly none of these scenario would even have happened if they had nukes to begin with, how weird this is very weird speculation, Iran would be way more aggressive in its action in the region if they would have nukes.
  - lm28469 8mo ago
    The only weird thing in this story is that we keep preemptively bombing the same people for at best vague reasons (they were about to attack us trust me bro) and at worst complete made up lies (they have mass destruction weapons, look at my jar of anthrax).
    - andriy_koval 8mo ago
      > they were about to attack us trust me bro depends how you define "attack us". Iran is part of Iran-Russia-China axis, which goals are very explicit in expanding influence and territories (Ukraine, Taiwan, Syria, Iraq, Gulf states). If they succeed, Western world will be cut from semiconductors and oil and become much weaker.
      - lm28469 8mo ago
        Might, may, could, potentially, maybe... Virtually nothing happened in decades and now that the US/Israel decided time was up the situation is more fucked than it has ever been, potentially pushing the Iranian government into more radicalism, good job! That will teach them. "we had to attack because they could theoretically cut us from oil in a distant future", how is it going so far? How did it go in Iraq? Afghanistan? What's up with kidnapping Maduro? Is this what the "western world" is about? Securing resources by bombing people preemptively because they might do something you don't like one day? You can't look at the recent history of the region and point the finger at literally anyone else other than the US with a straight face lmao, you're the blood thirsty nation who's military industrial complex got out of hand, just watch the latest videos posted by the official white house accounts, only psychopaths would come up with these
        andriy_koval 8mo ago
        > Virtually nothing happened in decades it was decades of very intense proxy wars: Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Gaza, Lebanon. Iran didn't hesitate to attack oil assets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abqaiq%E2%80%93Khurais_attack > Is this what the "western world" is about? Securing resources by bombing people preemptively because they might do something you don't like one day? sure, that's what humans do through centuries. If you don't do it, you get extinct because other forces become stronger and bomb you.
        lm28469 8mo ago
        > it was decades of very intense proxy wars: Yemen, Syria, Iraq, Gaza, Lebanon. Iran didn't hesitate to attack oil assets Compared to the US and Israel who only mind their own business and never do any shady things of course. Russia says the same thing about the US in Ukraine, but there it's a dirty propaganda lie, when it comes to Iran it's just the Real Truth ™
- DoctorOetker 8mo ago
  you are putting words in the mouth of your discourse partner: approaching nuclear weapons capabilities is the reason for attack, waiting until its too late is obviously not considered an option.
  - lm28469 8mo ago
    Like when Iraq was just about to drop anthrax all over the US? We should study the psychology of normies falling over and over for the same propaganda techniques even when it goes again their own interests
    - andriy_koval 8mo ago
      maybe its unlike Iraq situation this time.

DoctorOetker 8mo ago

What makes you think Iran was not a real nuclear threat? The USA even bungled up an operation (with the goal of gaining better intel and internal domestic spies in Iran) by convincing an Iranian physicist to carry convincing plans to an address in Iran. That physicist got so sh-scared (who wouldn't) that the nuclear bomb designs would be so transparently bugged that he feared for his life. He did the unexpected: he recognized which parts of the designs were obviously manipulated for failure and corrected them before indeed depositing at the address. He feared and figured that other physicists in Iran would quickly spot the same manipulations in the weapon design, and he would effectively be committing suicide by thus proving himself a spy! What a cuck-op of an operation!

bdangubic 8mo ago
> What makes you think Iran was not a real nuclear threat? decades and decades and decades of ... https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/6/18/the-history-of-netanyahus-rhetoric-on-irans-nuclear-ambitions https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/6/18/the-history-of-n... https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/1l9t7yl/netanyahus_iran_nuclear_bomb_claim_timeline/ https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/1l9t7yl/neta...
- DoctorOetker 8mo ago
  do you deny they had the ambition? you don't train such huge proportions of the population towards physics without nuclear weapon ambitions you don't enrich uranium to absurdly high levels for peaceful energy production (sorting isotopes is expensive) you don't assassinate with hydrogen cyanide (generic non-brand equivalent of Zyklon B) random minorities (like Mahsa Amini) just because they would like to study law, and happen to have a less-regime aligned attitude, unless you are running a chemical weapons program (which apparently wasn't really halted after the Iran-Iraq war)
  - bdangubic 8mo ago
    > do you deny they had the ambition? I have an ambition to marry MacKenzie Scott but doubt that’s happening :)