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Where does the line fall? I can use an LLM to help form new and novel thoughts into prose, right? To structure and present it in conventional language rather t
by mlhpdx 7mo ago
Where does the line fall? I can use an LLM to help form new and novel thoughts into prose, right? To structure and present it in conventional language rather than stream of thought. Is that disrespectful? It doesn't feel so.
- davorak 7mo ago> Where does the line fall? For now I would argue when ai edits for you instead of helping you edit. Take a look at the examples that Dang posted if you have not yet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47342616 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47342616 The first 5 I looked at were pretty egregious and not subtle.
- mlhpdx 7mo agoYes, I have also done the search and found that the beta on "LLM!" objections is very high; often seeming wrong as right.
- davorak 7mo agoAs of this comment which ones are you finding wrong? 5 of the first 7 are confessed ai users, the other 2 look like ai to me too.
- mlhpdx 7mo agoWhen I said "I have also done the search" I meant this simple one: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=1&prefix=false&query=%22llm%20generated%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=1&prefix=false&qu...
- davorak 7mo agoDang's search is much more clear cut and I think that is going to be better guide to what the enforcement will look like. Looking at your search though I think we have to exclude today or at least this thread to get a fair look how llm generated is thrown around or not https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1773187200&dateRange=custom&dateStart=1199491200&page=0&prefix=false&query=%22llm%20generated%22&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1773187200&dateRange=custom&... Most of the comments I saw on the first page are not an accusation but there are some there 2 of the 3 I looked at looked pretty clear cut, while the 3rd was poorly written hype which looks like llm output, but I have seen similar from humans before at least from what I read, in either case it was flagged appropriately.
- Aurornis 7mo ago> I can use an LLM to help form new and novel thoughts into prose, right? To structure and present it in conventional language rather than stream of thought. Better to post your stream of thought. Using LLMs to turn stream of thoughts into prose is mostly just adding fluff and expanding the text to make it look more like thoughtful prose. What you get looks nice to the creator because they agree with what it's saying, but it wastes other reader's time as they have to dissect the extra LLM prose to get back to the author's stream of thought. Just post what you're thinking, even if it's not elegant prose. Don't have an LLM wrap it in structures and cliches that disguise it as something else.
- mlhpdx 7mo agoI strive to be understood, and my streams of thought are often weird and generally intractable. Nobody really wants to read that; nobody wants the deep threads required to explain it. I value reading novel and interesting thoughts and ideas. I don't feel "tricked" when I read something of substance or thought provoking, even if LLM generated and decorated with the platitudes and common forms for dull readers.
- jart 7mo agoFeel bad for the people who used to do that for you. Many people have difficulty expressing what they're thinking in words. Those people always feel happy when they see someone else say what they're thinking. If AI can do that now then you don't need them. No point in coming onto Hacker News and using AI to participate in playing that role when you can just talk to the AI. If too many people do this then Hacker News won't even be able to play a vestigial role.
- mlhpdx 7mo agoIs it really that dire? Is it more awful to expect every reader to decipher my rambling, disjoint thoughts? Yes, it is. And, it undervalues the substance of what I'm trying to say because the willing audience dwindles to triviality.
- ghurtado 7mo ago> Is that disrespectful It is, by way of being extremely dishonest in at least two ways: - there's no way you would do this if you were required to disclose that you used an LLM to write your comment. - therefore, if your primary goal isn't communication, then you must be doing it to look smart and "win" the conversation Same reason people desperately post links to scientific papers they don't understand in a frantic attempt to stay on top of some imaginary debate.