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But it gets solved when we are in-person. We could develop new technology, research culture solutions... or... meet in-person.

a456463 7mo ago
you can just send "hey you got 5 mins"? you have to do that in person. you do that on chat. nothing different. this is a made up reason. I do this all day, everyday
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- butILoveLife 7mo ago
  I'm the manager. They do not send that message. They either are trying and never giving up, or... doing dishes. I check in, and it ends up being story time about non-issues. In person, its a 'hows it going?' and they say either 'good, still working' or 'stuck...'. I would love if WFH was as effective. I could reduce my labor costs and probably have happier workers.
  - conception 7mo ago
    Considering it’s very easy to send a how’s it going Slack message or whatever this seems more like a issue of keeping the conversation on task than a slack issue
  - dg08 7mo ago
    You're getting a lot of replies from other ICs that do well in a WFH setting, but I can say from a manager perspective, it's not always the manager or process. I've been managing remote teams for years since before covid and some people just don't do well without the in-person structure. It's possible to build a high performing remote team, but it's not easy.
    - ytoawwhra92 7mo ago
      > some people just don't do well without the in-person structure Structure is what makes remote work well. IME places that rely on everyone being together in-person to make sure things get done have poorly-defined structure.
  - hephaes7us 7mo ago
    You could reduce your labor costs and reduce the aggravation you are causing teammates if you changed your attitude. It's possible to drive results and create a culture of accountability without dragging people into the room with you just so you can interrupt their work in-person.
roadside_picnic 7mo ago
> develop new technology, research culture solutions. The technology and culture solutions have existed and been evolving for 20 years. It really sounds like your experience with remote work is not representative.
- butILoveLife 7mo ago
  Given basically 100% of companies ended remote work, its probably the majority experience.
  - Daishiman 7mo ago
    The number of remote companies is enormous but they're not loud about it.
  - array_key_first 7mo ago
    Almost 100% of companies are stupid and make bad, bad software that their customer's begrudgingly put up with, so I'm not surprised. Seriously, how much software have you used that was genuinely good? For me, almost none. All the software I use, I tolerate. Look, companies are made up of people and have all the downsides of humanity. That means the people making the decisions are egotistical, emotionally-driven, irrational, and a bit narcissistic. They still do okay enough, and that's all they need to achieve. If you want my perspective, I think WFH ended just because executives did not like it. That's it. They didn't like how much autonomy it gave their workers, it didn't feel fair to them, so they said no, because they can. All the other analysis is mostly bullshit. I mean, Jesus Christ, do you think my company makes just about any decisions because of data or economics? No! That's not to say they don't have data behind it. Of course they do, it's just very obviously bullshit. Everyone knows what's going on. People want things done a certain way, so they do that and then just make up a justification later to tell their dumbass investors who couldn't tell a hole in the ground from their asshole. Nobody has the balls or humility to say "look, I just want it this way". So, everyone has to lie and make up numbers and reasoning.
    - cindyllm 7mo ago
eikenberry 7mo ago
But it introduces a whole new set of problems for your employees... but not for you, so you don't care.

a456463 7mo ago

you can just send "hey you got 5 mins"? you have to do that in person. you do that on chat. nothing different. this is a made up reason. I do this all day, everyday

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butILoveLife 7mo ago
I'm the manager. They do not send that message. They either are trying and never giving up, or... doing dishes. I check in, and it ends up being story time about non-issues. In person, its a 'hows it going?' and they say either 'good, still working' or 'stuck...'. I would love if WFH was as effective. I could reduce my labor costs and probably have happier workers.
- conception 7mo ago
  Considering it’s very easy to send a how’s it going Slack message or whatever this seems more like a issue of keeping the conversation on task than a slack issue
- dg08 7mo ago
  You're getting a lot of replies from other ICs that do well in a WFH setting, but I can say from a manager perspective, it's not always the manager or process. I've been managing remote teams for years since before covid and some people just don't do well without the in-person structure. It's possible to build a high performing remote team, but it's not easy.
  - ytoawwhra92 7mo ago
    > some people just don't do well without the in-person structure Structure is what makes remote work well. IME places that rely on everyone being together in-person to make sure things get done have poorly-defined structure.
- hephaes7us 7mo ago
  You could reduce your labor costs and reduce the aggravation you are causing teammates if you changed your attitude. It's possible to drive results and create a culture of accountability without dragging people into the room with you just so you can interrupt their work in-person.

roadside_picnic 7mo ago

> develop new technology, research culture solutions. The technology and culture solutions have existed and been evolving for 20 years. It really sounds like your experience with remote work is not representative.

butILoveLife 7mo ago
Given basically 100% of companies ended remote work, its probably the majority experience.
- Daishiman 7mo ago
  The number of remote companies is enormous but they're not loud about it.
- array_key_first 7mo ago
  Almost 100% of companies are stupid and make bad, bad software that their customer's begrudgingly put up with, so I'm not surprised. Seriously, how much software have you used that was genuinely good? For me, almost none. All the software I use, I tolerate. Look, companies are made up of people and have all the downsides of humanity. That means the people making the decisions are egotistical, emotionally-driven, irrational, and a bit narcissistic. They still do okay enough, and that's all they need to achieve. If you want my perspective, I think WFH ended just because executives did not like it. That's it. They didn't like how much autonomy it gave their workers, it didn't feel fair to them, so they said no, because they can. All the other analysis is mostly bullshit. I mean, Jesus Christ, do you think my company makes just about any decisions because of data or economics? No! That's not to say they don't have data behind it. Of course they do, it's just very obviously bullshit. Everyone knows what's going on. People want things done a certain way, so they do that and then just make up a justification later to tell their dumbass investors who couldn't tell a hole in the ground from their asshole. Nobody has the balls or humility to say "look, I just want it this way". So, everyone has to lie and make up numbers and reasoning.
  - cindyllm 7mo ago

eikenberry 7mo ago

But it introduces a whole new set of problems for your employees... but not for you, so you don't care.