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Incredible how Trump ran on a "no wars" and "lower prices" platform. And that people actually believed it.

actionfromafar 7mo ago
But at least we have the second coming of Christ soon, so none of that will matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology xkcd://2345
hsuduebc2 7mo ago
To be honest, the Fell for it again award goes to a lot of voters across the world. It has become a routine part of politics. What is fascinating is how confidently repeating almost any claim, over and over, is often enough to make people eventually believe it. "He wouldn’t have lied to us"
- rwmj 7mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie
bediger4000 7mo ago
You know what else will blow your mind? Mass media excusing Trump from blame, followed by a good Republican showing in the midterms. Trump will be the only president to escape punishment for inflation. Mark my words.
- Trasmatta 7mo ago
  I expect a very bad showing for Republicans in the midterms. They will almost certainly lose the House, and it's actually becoming possible that they will lose the Senate (which seemed laughable to even consider a year ago).
- tdeck 7mo ago
  The administration didn't even bother manufacturing consent this time and yet the media is acting like they did during the Iraq war. Democratic leaders are weakly pretending like they opposed the war but they really stalled the war powers resolution so it would happen before they forced the vote. Now they get to spend the first half of their statements condemning Iran and the second half weakly protesting about procedural issues and lack of an "exit strategy".
  - JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
    > administration didn't even bother manufacturing consent this time and yet the media is acting like they did Which might suggest holes in Chomsky’s hypotheses. > they really stalled the war powers resolution so it would happen before they forced the vote The war’s timeline was moved back so materiel could be relocated and moved up because of Khamenei’s meeting. Democrats don’t control the Supreme Leader’s calendar. This was an opportunistic war of choice pursued by one man. Partisan politics mean anything he does will be popular with Republicans and hated by Democrats, with all the electoral action happening at their margins while all the rhetoric is dominated by their cores. (The polling on this war isn’t black and white, either.) It’s tempting to try and shoehorn this into one of the old narratives about there being a master plan. But sometimes nobody has a plan, they just sort of have a vibe.
    - bediger4000 7mo ago
      This was an opportunistic war of choice pursued by one man Completely agree. My problem is with his use of the entire nation's war fighting system and materials. We should at least have our elected representatives vote, after the Senate deliberates. None of that happened as you note. One guy, one vibe, one nation.
Octoth0rpe 7mo ago
The value of the Trump presidency for his voters was never really about those issues, so much as who he was promising to hurt.
- Trasmatta 7mo ago
  For the core of his base certainly, but he can't win with just them, it's not enough. He won because of the median voter that was mad at the incumbent party for inflation.
tstrimple 7mo ago
It's really not about them "believing" it. They tend to "believe" any new reality they are presented with if given by the "right" person. And they will just as quickly discard those "beliefs" if they are told something different by the "right" person. Trump is that person for them right now. Ultimately there is no value that "conservatives" aren't willing to abandon other than maintaining the hierarchy. Everything else seems to be in service to that end. They fight hardest when new groups are receiving rights they didn't previously enjoy. It's never been about "fiscal responsibility". It's never been about "small government" or "states rights". They are quite happy to abandon all of those if a trans person might be be able to use a bathroom in peace. "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." ~ Maya Angelou
throwaway85825 7mo ago
The Israeli lobby paid more than the voters.

But at least we have the second coming of Christ soon, so none of that will matter. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eschatology xkcd://2345

hsuduebc2 7mo ago

To be honest, the Fell for it again award goes to a lot of voters across the world. It has become a routine part of politics. What is fascinating is how confidently repeating almost any claim, over and over, is often enough to make people eventually believe it. "He wouldn’t have lied to us"

rwmj 7mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

bediger4000 7mo ago

You know what else will blow your mind? Mass media excusing Trump from blame, followed by a good Republican showing in the midterms. Trump will be the only president to escape punishment for inflation. Mark my words.

Trasmatta 7mo ago
I expect a very bad showing for Republicans in the midterms. They will almost certainly lose the House, and it's actually becoming possible that they will lose the Senate (which seemed laughable to even consider a year ago).
tdeck 7mo ago
The administration didn't even bother manufacturing consent this time and yet the media is acting like they did during the Iraq war. Democratic leaders are weakly pretending like they opposed the war but they really stalled the war powers resolution so it would happen before they forced the vote. Now they get to spend the first half of their statements condemning Iran and the second half weakly protesting about procedural issues and lack of an "exit strategy".
- JumpCrisscross 7mo ago
  > administration didn't even bother manufacturing consent this time and yet the media is acting like they did Which might suggest holes in Chomsky’s hypotheses. > they really stalled the war powers resolution so it would happen before they forced the vote The war’s timeline was moved back so materiel could be relocated and moved up because of Khamenei’s meeting. Democrats don’t control the Supreme Leader’s calendar. This was an opportunistic war of choice pursued by one man. Partisan politics mean anything he does will be popular with Republicans and hated by Democrats, with all the electoral action happening at their margins while all the rhetoric is dominated by their cores. (The polling on this war isn’t black and white, either.) It’s tempting to try and shoehorn this into one of the old narratives about there being a master plan. But sometimes nobody has a plan, they just sort of have a vibe.
  - bediger4000 7mo ago
    This was an opportunistic war of choice pursued by one man Completely agree. My problem is with his use of the entire nation's war fighting system and materials. We should at least have our elected representatives vote, after the Senate deliberates. None of that happened as you note. One guy, one vibe, one nation.

Octoth0rpe 7mo ago

The value of the Trump presidency for his voters was never really about those issues, so much as who he was promising to hurt.

Trasmatta 7mo ago
For the core of his base certainly, but he can't win with just them, it's not enough. He won because of the median voter that was mad at the incumbent party for inflation.

tstrimple 7mo ago

It's really not about them "believing" it. They tend to "believe" any new reality they are presented with if given by the "right" person. And they will just as quickly discard those "beliefs" if they are told something different by the "right" person. Trump is that person for them right now. Ultimately there is no value that "conservatives" aren't willing to abandon other than maintaining the hierarchy. Everything else seems to be in service to that end. They fight hardest when new groups are receiving rights they didn't previously enjoy. It's never been about "fiscal responsibility". It's never been about "small government" or "states rights". They are quite happy to abandon all of those if a trans person might be be able to use a bathroom in peace. "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." ~ Maya Angelou

throwaway85825 7mo ago

The Israeli lobby paid more than the voters.