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LLMs are AI. Markov text generators from the 1970s/80s are AI. Face recognition software like FaceID is AI. Many people behind LLMs got degrees under department

by varenc 7mo ago

LLMs are AI. Markov text generators from the 1970s/80s are AI. Face recognition software like FaceID is AI. Many people behind LLMs got degrees under departments that have AI in their title. AI is just computers doing things we typically associate with human intelligence, and having a conversation with a computer that effectively passes the Turing test, is definitely AI. If LLMs aren't AI, then AI isn't a useful term. (though agreed that LLMs aren't AGI, which I assume is what you're thinking of) Wikipedia's list of AI applications: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence#Applications https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_intelligence#Applic...

api 7mo ago
This is called the AI effect: we stop calling it AI when it works. Its goal post moving to keep the sci-fi term sci-fi. There’s a similar thing with transhumanist “enhancement” or “life extension” stuff. When it actually works we call it medicine. Statistically one of the most powerful life extension techs ever developed was the cardiac bypass, which would have been sci-fi in 1900. I’ve been using stuff like Claude Code and personally feel comfortable calling this stuff AI. Is it AGI? I don’t think so, but then again I’m not totally sure what that is. Am I AGI? I’m not universally able to handle all forms of cognition well and I can’t self modify much, so I’m not sure either. I’m not even sure if AGI is a well formed concept. Intelligence is a pretty broad concept too. My pet rabbit is intelligent. Plants are intelligent. Bacteria are intelligent. Anything that can run an OODA loop, learn, adapt, and move toward a goal function is intelligent. By that definition some computer systems have been AI for decades. They’re just getting better. I think there’s intelligence all around us. We just don’t get the wow factor from it unless it talks.
epgui 7mo ago
My point is that they are a small subset of AI.
- mikkupikku 7mo ago
  Bro wtf, this is like saying "I really hate how people say trees == plants" and then when challenged saying you merely meant that there are more plants than just trees. No shit, everybody knows that. What the fuck was the point?
  - epgui 7mo ago
    The point is that people equate AI with general intelligence, and the shortcut between LLMs and general intelligence is a bad one. Yes LLMs can do surprisingly well at a bunch of tasks, but broca’s area will never replace a human. And yet that’s the sort of mental shortcut people make on the daily. Bro. Perhaps not this sophisticated audience, but I witness it personally every day.
    - varenc 7mo ago
      The real thing to lament is that people think AI==AGI, and by extension that LLMs==AGI. Which they definitely aren't. But the mistake is thinking AI is AGI, rather than thinking LLMs are AI. Which is just true, as the term has been defined since its inception in the 50s.
      - epgui 7mo ago
        I’ll admit to having expressed myself wrong. I think we agree on the substance.

by varenc 7mo ago

api 7mo ago

This is called the AI effect: we stop calling it AI when it works. Its goal post moving to keep the sci-fi term sci-fi. There’s a similar thing with transhumanist “enhancement” or “life extension” stuff. When it actually works we call it medicine. Statistically one of the most powerful life extension techs ever developed was the cardiac bypass, which would have been sci-fi in 1900. I’ve been using stuff like Claude Code and personally feel comfortable calling this stuff AI. Is it AGI? I don’t think so, but then again I’m not totally sure what that is. Am I AGI? I’m not universally able to handle all forms of cognition well and I can’t self modify much, so I’m not sure either. I’m not even sure if AGI is a well formed concept. Intelligence is a pretty broad concept too. My pet rabbit is intelligent. Plants are intelligent. Bacteria are intelligent. Anything that can run an OODA loop, learn, adapt, and move toward a goal function is intelligent. By that definition some computer systems have been AI for decades. They’re just getting better. I think there’s intelligence all around us. We just don’t get the wow factor from it unless it talks.

epgui 7mo ago

My point is that they are a small subset of AI.

mikkupikku 7mo ago
Bro wtf, this is like saying "I really hate how people say trees == plants" and then when challenged saying you merely meant that there are more plants than just trees. No shit, everybody knows that. What the fuck was the point?
- epgui 7mo ago
  The point is that people equate AI with general intelligence, and the shortcut between LLMs and general intelligence is a bad one. Yes LLMs can do surprisingly well at a bunch of tasks, but broca’s area will never replace a human. And yet that’s the sort of mental shortcut people make on the daily. Bro. Perhaps not this sophisticated audience, but I witness it personally every day.
  - varenc 7mo ago
    The real thing to lament is that people think AI==AGI, and by extension that LLMs==AGI. Which they definitely aren't. But the mistake is thinking AI is AGI, rather than thinking LLMs are AI. Which is just true, as the term has been defined since its inception in the 50s.
    - epgui 7mo ago
      I’ll admit to having expressed myself wrong. I think we agree on the substance.