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> But they are not doing enough to protect children from predators My understanding is that the recent improvements are face scans, and communication limited t

by nomel 8mo ago

> But they are not doing enough to protect children from predators My understanding is that the recent improvements are face scans, and communication limited to people within a few 4 year windows. They've also increased moderation of chat significantly, especially for the lower age windows. What low hanging fruit do you see? What's the "ideal" system? Seems like a hard problem, if any sort of cooperative communication/play is involved.

intrasight 8mo ago
It is indeed a hard provlem. No low hanging fruit. There certainly not alone, but have a bigger issue with grooming and predation since half of all kids use their platform. It would be an easy problem if the government put in place sensible reforms for age verification.
- nomel 8mo ago
  > It would be an easy problem if the government put in place sensible reforms for age verification. What would these reforms look like?
  - intrasight 8mo ago
    For starters, get rid of Section 230. Then getting over the collective fear of the government having a role in our online identity. They provide foe our physical identity so I don't understand why we're afraid of them providing our digital identity too.
- fwipsy 8mo ago
  I thought that sounded off, Wikipedia says it's half of all American kids.
  - Aeolun 8mo ago
    It’s certainly more than half of all my kids.Also more than half of the kids I know in Japan.
- fc417fc802 8mo ago
  > It would be an easy problem if the government put in place sensible reforms for age verification. Implying there's a simple solution that isn't being implemented because they weren't forced to by law. So what is that simple solution? Children typically don't have any form of government issued ID. You can verify someone is a legal adult (you probably shouldn't, but the point is that you can) whereas you can't easily verify that someone online is a child.
  - intrasight 8mo ago
    I didn't say there was a "simple solution". I said it would be an easy problem for the software services if they had a proper age verification service that was government sanctioned.
    - fc417fc802 8mo ago
      If it's an easy problem then there's a simple solution. You seem to have glossed over my second paragraph. How is this service supposed to work for children?
      - intrasight 8mo ago
        Sorry, didn't respond to that. All humans must be assigned digital identity by the government. You won't be able to use a connected digital device without assigning it identity.
        fc417fc802 8mo ago
        Okay. That would indeed make it an easy problem to solve from the perspective of a service operator. However I don't think I'd consider that to be a "sensible reform". Rather a dystopia that must be avoided at all costs.
Root_Denied 8mo ago
The ideal system as far as I'm concerned is one that regulates Roblox out of existence for a variety of sins. At this point I'm just waiting for someone to dig up a name associated with Roblox in the Epstein files, because that's the only way I can conceive of how they've managed to avoid getting shut down this long.
roysting 8mo ago
I realize people may find this controversial, but from personal experience with gaming, I see all of these types of games as “predators” in and of themselves when they are “monetized”, because they are deliberately and explicitly exploiting the addicting nature of games in general, by being and manipulating a freebase of dopamine and serotonin just like the gambling industry does/used to. If we survive this era with an intact advanced civilization, I believe people will look back on this period and “games” as an insane thing to permit, let alone facilitate and perpetrate upon one’s own children, the next generation, the offspring necessary for survival of a life form, species, race, society, or culture.
- Ferret7446 8mo ago
  As a thought experiment, would you rather prefer letting natural selection run its course so that future generations will have immunity against addictive gambling
nananana9 8mo ago
Please don't make excuses for literal evil p*dophile megacorporations. There is plenty of low hanging fruit, and even if there wasn't, this issue is important enough that if they can't fix it they should go out of business. 1. They can just disable chat for non age verified accounts. Done. Problem fixed. Oh, but they'll lose money, won't they? That takes precedence over child safety. 2. The community is willing to help. You can find examples of independent actors uncovering tens of thousands of NSFW communities and accounts and submitting them to Roblox with detailed descriptions of the activities of each one, only for Roblox to perma-ban AND SUE the people doing the investigations, and not ban the offending accounts. 3. They can build an actual strong safety team. A $40B company can afford to throw a few million dollars per year to hire 200 people to do that same investigatory work. This is typical tech firm behavior, where they believe every problem can be automated away, and they're not willing to do the minimal amount of manual labor.
- bstsb 8mo ago
  1. they have 2. they do (to the extent they can) 3. obviously they have a safety team. they have a dedicated page about it: https://about.roblox.com/safety https://about.roblox.com/safety
  - nananana9 8mo ago
    1. Kids under 9 can use chat with parent consent, for kids over 9 don't even need that. After 13, there's no option to even disable it for parents [1]. 2. Suing multiple youtubers who come to you with evidence of child abuse on your platform does not square with "they do" in any concievable universe [2] [3] 3. Oh, guess all is good then! [1] https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/43611824582292-How-to-Chat-on-Roblox https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/43611824582292-... [2] https://www.altmanllp.com/personal-injury/sexual-assault-victims/roblox-sexual-abuse-lawsuit-child-sexual-abuse-claims/ https://www.altmanllp.com/personal-injury/sexual-assault-vic... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roblox%E2%80%93Schlep_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roblox%E2%80%93Schlep_controve...
    - 8mo ago
Ferret7446 8mo ago
The low hanging fruit of banning reported predators, instead of banning people who are reporting predators. Or the low hanging fruit of not saying they want to turn their platform dominated by children into a dating site. Epstein would blush

by nomel 8mo ago

intrasight 8mo ago

It is indeed a hard provlem. No low hanging fruit. There certainly not alone, but have a bigger issue with grooming and predation since half of all kids use their platform. It would be an easy problem if the government put in place sensible reforms for age verification.

nomel 8mo ago
> It would be an easy problem if the government put in place sensible reforms for age verification. What would these reforms look like?
- intrasight 8mo ago
  For starters, get rid of Section 230. Then getting over the collective fear of the government having a role in our online identity. They provide foe our physical identity so I don't understand why we're afraid of them providing our digital identity too.
fwipsy 8mo ago
I thought that sounded off, Wikipedia says it's half of all American kids.
- Aeolun 8mo ago
  It’s certainly more than half of all my kids.Also more than half of the kids I know in Japan.
fc417fc802 8mo ago
> It would be an easy problem if the government put in place sensible reforms for age verification. Implying there's a simple solution that isn't being implemented because they weren't forced to by law. So what is that simple solution? Children typically don't have any form of government issued ID. You can verify someone is a legal adult (you probably shouldn't, but the point is that you can) whereas you can't easily verify that someone online is a child.
- intrasight 8mo ago
  I didn't say there was a "simple solution". I said it would be an easy problem for the software services if they had a proper age verification service that was government sanctioned.
  - fc417fc802 8mo ago
    If it's an easy problem then there's a simple solution. You seem to have glossed over my second paragraph. How is this service supposed to work for children?
    - intrasight 8mo ago
      Sorry, didn't respond to that. All humans must be assigned digital identity by the government. You won't be able to use a connected digital device without assigning it identity.
      - fc417fc802 8mo ago
        Okay. That would indeed make it an easy problem to solve from the perspective of a service operator. However I don't think I'd consider that to be a "sensible reform". Rather a dystopia that must be avoided at all costs.

Root_Denied 8mo ago

The ideal system as far as I'm concerned is one that regulates Roblox out of existence for a variety of sins. At this point I'm just waiting for someone to dig up a name associated with Roblox in the Epstein files, because that's the only way I can conceive of how they've managed to avoid getting shut down this long.

roysting 8mo ago

I realize people may find this controversial, but from personal experience with gaming, I see all of these types of games as “predators” in and of themselves when they are “monetized”, because they are deliberately and explicitly exploiting the addicting nature of games in general, by being and manipulating a freebase of dopamine and serotonin just like the gambling industry does/used to. If we survive this era with an intact advanced civilization, I believe people will look back on this period and “games” as an insane thing to permit, let alone facilitate and perpetrate upon one’s own children, the next generation, the offspring necessary for survival of a life form, species, race, society, or culture.

Ferret7446 8mo ago
As a thought experiment, would you rather prefer letting natural selection run its course so that future generations will have immunity against addictive gambling

nananana9 8mo ago

Please don't make excuses for literal evil p*dophile megacorporations. There is plenty of low hanging fruit, and even if there wasn't, this issue is important enough that if they can't fix it they should go out of business. 1. They can just disable chat for non age verified accounts. Done. Problem fixed. Oh, but they'll lose money, won't they? That takes precedence over child safety. 2. The community is willing to help. You can find examples of independent actors uncovering tens of thousands of NSFW communities and accounts and submitting them to Roblox with detailed descriptions of the activities of each one, only for Roblox to perma-ban AND SUE the people doing the investigations, and not ban the offending accounts. 3. They can build an actual strong safety team. A $40B company can afford to throw a few million dollars per year to hire 200 people to do that same investigatory work. This is typical tech firm behavior, where they believe every problem can be automated away, and they're not willing to do the minimal amount of manual labor.

bstsb 8mo ago
1. they have 2. they do (to the extent they can) 3. obviously they have a safety team. they have a dedicated page about it: https://about.roblox.com/safety https://about.roblox.com/safety
- nananana9 8mo ago
  1. Kids under 9 can use chat with parent consent, for kids over 9 don't even need that. After 13, there's no option to even disable it for parents [1]. 2. Suing multiple youtubers who come to you with evidence of child abuse on your platform does not square with "they do" in any concievable universe [2] [3] 3. Oh, guess all is good then! [1] https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/43611824582292-How-to-Chat-on-Roblox https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/43611824582292-... [2] https://www.altmanllp.com/personal-injury/sexual-assault-victims/roblox-sexual-abuse-lawsuit-child-sexual-abuse-claims/ https://www.altmanllp.com/personal-injury/sexual-assault-vic... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roblox%E2%80%93Schlep_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roblox%E2%80%93Schlep_controve...
  - 8mo ago

Ferret7446 8mo ago

The low hanging fruit of banning reported predators, instead of banning people who are reporting predators. Or the low hanging fruit of not saying they want to turn their platform dominated by children into a dating site. Epstein would blush